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The charlie hebdo terrorism contradicts everything you're saying Svenno. The french satirical news paper published an issue that made fun of muhammad, and was very disrespectful, even offended some muslims. But their religion was everything to the people involved, so much so that the newspaper people had to die (according to the terrorists). So, they brought their guns with them, and massacred the good people of Charlie Hebdo.

Is this worth people's lives?  Only a terrorist or their weak minded enablers would think so.  



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shavenferret said:
SvennoJ said:

To solve terrorism, solve the root cause of terrorism. Inequality, oppression and injustice are the main 3 causes. Which can be solved if instead of spending more money on ways to control and oppress populations, we use them to solve poverty and starvation.

As long as we're only fighting the symptoms while continuing to stoke up the causes, terrorism will stick around no matter what.

And as long as governments (and people in general) value money over life, the solution will never come and terrorism will continue to be used as a convenient excuse to take away more of our freedom and bomb more innocent people in the name of the war on terror.

Collateral damage is such a neat term to put money over lives. Most blatant recent example is US bombing Yemen in the name of freedom of navigation. Shipping costs up a few percent, time to kill some people.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/18/trump-yemen-bombings-killed-civilians-us-attacks-analysis

Actually the biggest cause is greed from which all the other causes arise. How do you 'solve' a basic human emotion... Greed comes out of insecurity, fear, and dissatisfaction.

So we're in a self reinforcing cycle:

Greed leads to inequality, oppression and injustice.
Inequality, oppression and injustice lead to envy and terrorism.

Terrorism leads to feeling insecurity and fear.
Insecurity, fear, dissatisfaction and envy lead to more greed. 

One way to break the cycle is to stop the hysteria about terrorism. The chance of getting 'hit' by terrorism is miniscule to dying in a car accident. 7,555 terrorism related deaths in 2024, 1.19 million traffic deaths annually. 

Ignore the problem and it will go away

Read the rest, ignoring the root causes will fuel terrorism indefinitely.

However the problem is made out to be much worse than it actually is, which reinforces the cycle. Both giving reasons for terrorists to keep acting out (it gets the media's attention) and for people to be fine with their freedom/privacy getting taken further away.

There's a reason suicides are not reported on, the Werther effect. Doesn't mean the problem is ignored. 

Fact is, people just love chaos, drama, spectacle, outrage, which a terrorist attack all provide. And terrorists do it for the attention it garners.



SvennoJ said:

To solve terrorism, solve the root cause of terrorism. Inequality, oppression and injustice are the main 3 causes. Which can be solved if instead of spending more money on ways to control and oppress populations, we use them to solve poverty and starvation.

As long as we're only fighting the symptoms while continuing to stoke up the causes, terrorism will stick around no matter what.

And as long as governments (and people in general) value money over life, the solution will never come and terrorism will continue to be used as a convenient excuse to take away more of our freedom and bomb more innocent people in the name of the war on terror.

Collateral damage is such a neat term to put money over lives. Most blatant recent example is US bombing Yemen in the name of freedom of navigation. Shipping costs up a few percent, time to kill some people.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/18/trump-yemen-bombings-killed-civilians-us-attacks-analysis

Actually the biggest cause is greed from which all the other causes arise. How do you 'solve' a basic human emotion... Greed comes out of insecurity, fear, and dissatisfaction.

So we're in a self reinforcing cycle:

Greed leads to inequality, oppression and injustice.
Inequality, oppression and injustice lead to envy and terrorism.

Terrorism leads to feeling insecurity and fear.
Insecurity, fear, dissatisfaction and envy lead to more greed. 

One way to break the cycle is to stop the hysteria about terrorism. The chance of getting 'hit' by terrorism is miniscule to dying in a car accident. 7,555 terrorism related deaths in 2024, 1.19 million traffic deaths annually. 

This is a truly awful and dangerous thing to say. It's only a small chance for us because we live in the west under a relatively strict rule of law. What about the people in Africa and the middle east though? Enourmous amounts of terrorism and violence. Would you really go around there telling them that terrorism is just hysteria cos your more likely to die in other ways?



shavenferret said:

The charlie hebdo terrorism contradicts everything you're saying Svenno. The french satirical news paper published an issue that made fun of muhammad, and was very disrespectful, even offended some muslims. But their religion was everything to the people involved, so much so that the newspaper people had to die (according to the terrorists). So, they brought their guns with them, and massacred the good people of Charlie Hebdo.

Is this worth people's lives?  Only a terrorist or their weak minded enablers would think so.  

That was the lightning rod, target for the attack.

The employees of the French satirical weekly magazine Charlie Hebdo were targeted in a terrorist shooting attack by two French-born Algerian Muslim brothers.

Do you know what France did to Algeria?
https://embmoscow.mfa.gov.dz/news-and-press-releases/massacres-of-may-8-1945-the-algerian-genocide-that-france-wants-to-bury

And that attack triggered more copy cat attacks, so how is it contradicting what I said lol.



SvennoJ said:
shavenferret said:

Ignore the problem and it will go away

Read the rest, ignoring the root causes will fuel terrorism indefinitely.

However the problem is made out to be much worse than it actually is, which reinforces the cycle. Both giving reasons for terrorists to keep acting out (it gets the media's attention) and for people to be fine with their freedom/privacy getting taken further away.

There's a reason suicides are not reported on, the Werther effect. Doesn't mean the problem is ignored. 

Fact is, people just love chaos, drama, spectacle, outrage, which a terrorist attack all provide. And terrorists do it for the attention it garners.

The french are very welcoming to other people, except that they are almost radically liberal in that they prefer a secular society.  Muslims tend to take their religion much more seriously than do western people and so it becomes a bigger part of their lives/society than their western counterparts (or christians).  

When somebody insults that, they ended up getting so angry that killing people was the only solution, and i hope that they got the death penalty for that.  For you to say that this was either justified or only understandable on their part is a horrible mentality and i can't respect that.  Similar opinions and statements are enabling terrorism.  And you sir, are a part of the problem.  

Finally, I feel that both christians and muslims should receive some amount of satire thrown their way, so that this criticism will liberalize these two beliefs.  

So, i feel that CH did a good thing, and that it was evil that the terrorists should do this.  



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Hardstuck-Platinum said:
SvennoJ said:

To solve terrorism, solve the root cause of terrorism. Inequality, oppression and injustice are the main 3 causes. Which can be solved if instead of spending more money on ways to control and oppress populations, we use them to solve poverty and starvation.

As long as we're only fighting the symptoms while continuing to stoke up the causes, terrorism will stick around no matter what.

And as long as governments (and people in general) value money over life, the solution will never come and terrorism will continue to be used as a convenient excuse to take away more of our freedom and bomb more innocent people in the name of the war on terror.

Collateral damage is such a neat term to put money over lives. Most blatant recent example is US bombing Yemen in the name of freedom of navigation. Shipping costs up a few percent, time to kill some people.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/18/trump-yemen-bombings-killed-civilians-us-attacks-analysis

Actually the biggest cause is greed from which all the other causes arise. How do you 'solve' a basic human emotion... Greed comes out of insecurity, fear, and dissatisfaction.

So we're in a self reinforcing cycle:

Greed leads to inequality, oppression and injustice.
Inequality, oppression and injustice lead to envy and terrorism.

Terrorism leads to feeling insecurity and fear.
Insecurity, fear, dissatisfaction and envy lead to more greed. 

One way to break the cycle is to stop the hysteria about terrorism. The chance of getting 'hit' by terrorism is miniscule to dying in a car accident. 7,555 terrorism related deaths in 2024, 1.19 million traffic deaths annually. 

This is a truly awful and dangerous thing to say. It's only a small chance for us because we live in the west under a relatively strict rule of law. What about the people in Africa and the middle east though? Enourmous amounts of terrorism and violence. Would you really go around there telling them that terrorism isn't too much of an issue cos your more likely to die in other ways?

7,555 terrorism related deaths world wide in 3,492 terrorism related attacks.

Did you know domestic violence kills 10 times as many...
https://www.unwomen.org/en/news-stories/press-release/2024/11/one-woman-or-girl-is-killed-every-10-minutes-by-their-intimate-partner-or-family-member

Terrorism is a problem, but it's also a symptom. 
https://www.visionofhumanity.org/maps/global-terrorism-index/#/

Burkina Faso tops the list for terrorism
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2025/country-chapters/burkina-faso
It's also no wonder why...

And it seems they're working on the solution, improving quality of life for everyone


What surprised me most was the other side of the story. Modern construction projects, newly paved roads, and rising neighborhoods show a country moving forward. Despite ongoing instability, there is visible progress. A new Burkina Faso is emerging, grounded in national pride, regional cooperation, and long-term development.


Now if you include state terrorism (for example Israel and the IDF) then no, I would not go around telling people it's not too much of an issue. But I suppose we're talking about non state actors here. Who are also fueled by state terrorism.



SvennoJ said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

This is a truly awful and dangerous thing to say. It's only a small chance for us because we live in the west under a relatively strict rule of law. What about the people in Africa and the middle east though? Enourmous amounts of terrorism and violence. Would you really go around there telling them that terrorism isn't too much of an issue cos your more likely to die in other ways?

7,555 terrorism related deaths world wide in 3,492 terrorism related attacks.

Did you know domestic violence kills 10 times as many...
https://www.unwomen.org/en/news-stories/press-release/2024/11/one-woman-or-girl-is-killed-every-10-minutes-by-their-intimate-partner-or-family-member

Terrorism is a problem, but it's also a symptom. 
https://www.visionofhumanity.org/maps/global-terrorism-index/#/

Burkina Faso tops the list for terrorism
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2025/country-chapters/burkina-faso
It's also no wonder why...

And it seems they're working on the solution, improving quality of life for everyone


What surprised me most was the other side of the story. Modern construction projects, newly paved roads, and rising neighborhoods show a country moving forward. Despite ongoing instability, there is visible progress. A new Burkina Faso is emerging, grounded in national pride, regional cooperation, and long-term development.


Now if you include state terrorism (for example Israel and the IDF) then no, I would not go around telling people it's not too much of an issue. But I suppose we're talking about non state actors here. Who are also fueled by state terrorism.

I just don't believe those numbers. The issue is far bigger than that. It's horrendous in ME/Africa, but especially the middle east. 

About Israel being "state terrorism" Israel is a teeny tiny country compared to the others in the middle east. They are at war with 7 different countries/militias. Hamas/west bank, Hezbollah. Yemen. Iraq militias, Syrian militias and Iran. Why would a country as small as Israel terrorise all those regions/militias? It would be hugely costly in money and human life to do that needlessly. 



Hardstuck-Platinum said:

I just don't believe those numbers. The issue is far bigger than that. It's horrendous in ME/Africa, but especially the middle east. 

About Israel being "state terrorism" Israel is a teeny tiny country compared to the others in the middle east. They are at war with 7 different countries/militias. Hamas. Hezbollah. Yemen. Iraq militias, Syrian militias and Iran. Why would a country as small as Israel terrorise all those regions/militias? It would be hugely costly in money and human life to do that needlessly. 

Why don't you believe those numbers? That's the question you should be asking yourself.


As for your second question, human life doesn't matter, war makes a profit. Next to protecting US' 'interests' in the ME.



Israel’s war on Gaza has turbocharged its already booming military-tech industry, with weapons and surveillance systems tested on Palestinians continuing to be sold around the world. Israel’s role as a global arms innovator has only deepened since October 7, 2023, and some governments and corporations are profiting.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/07/forever-occupation-genocide-and-profit-special-rapporteurs-report-exposes

https://afsc.org/gaza-genocide-companies

Netanyahu does it to remain in power.



shavenferret said:
SvennoJ said:

Read the rest, ignoring the root causes will fuel terrorism indefinitely.

However the problem is made out to be much worse than it actually is, which reinforces the cycle. Both giving reasons for terrorists to keep acting out (it gets the media's attention) and for people to be fine with their freedom/privacy getting taken further away.

There's a reason suicides are not reported on, the Werther effect. Doesn't mean the problem is ignored. 

Fact is, people just love chaos, drama, spectacle, outrage, which a terrorist attack all provide. And terrorists do it for the attention it garners.

The french are very welcoming to other people, except that they are almost radically liberal in that they prefer a secular society.  Muslims tend to take their religion much more seriously than do western people and so it becomes a bigger part of their lives/society than their western counterparts (or christians).  

When somebody insults that, they ended up getting so angry that killing people was the only solution, and i hope that they got the death penalty for that.  For you to say that this was either justified or only understandable on their part is a horrible mentality and i can't respect that.  Similar opinions and statements are enabling terrorism.  And you sir, are a part of the problem.  

Finally, I feel that both christians and muslims should receive some amount of satire thrown their way, so that this criticism will liberalize these two beliefs.  

So, i feel that CH did a good thing, and that it was evil that the terrorists should do this.  

It's never justified, but understanding the reasons helps prevent future attacks. That's not enabling terrorism, getting freaked out over terrorism is enabling terrorism. Letting terrorism achieve its purpose.



SvennoJ said:
shavenferret said:

The french are very welcoming to other people, except that they are almost radically liberal in that they prefer a secular society.  Muslims tend to take their religion much more seriously than do western people and so it becomes a bigger part of their lives/society than their western counterparts (or christians).  

When somebody insults that, they ended up getting so angry that killing people was the only solution, and i hope that they got the death penalty for that.  For you to say that this was either justified or only understandable on their part is a horrible mentality and i can't respect that.  Similar opinions and statements are enabling terrorism.  And you sir, are a part of the problem.  

Finally, I feel that both christians and muslims should receive some amount of satire thrown their way, so that this criticism will liberalize these two beliefs.  

So, i feel that CH did a good thing, and that it was evil that the terrorists should do this.  

It's never justified, but understanding the reasons helps prevent future attacks. That's not enabling terrorism, getting freaked out over terrorism is enabling terrorism. Letting terrorism achieve its purpose.

There was another situation just like this.  In dallas some years ago, they had a contest in which the contestants would draw the Muhammad.  You don't do that to muslims.  And so a muslim showed up with a gun, and he was promptly arrested without further incident.  

I beleive that more criticism needs to be sent to both Muslims and Christians.  They need to understand that there are other viewpoints around, that are just as worthy as theirs.  If islam gets more people criticizing it, the religion will eventually liberalize to the point that we'll stop seeing the misogyny and evil that the religion perpetuates.  Christianity as well, would reform in a positive direction.  You wouldn't see further attacks on gay people for instance.  But these voices need to keep doing this until it can be tolerated, to flex that muscle of free speech so that it grows larger and more powerful.