Those other platforms are open platforms, while the Switch 2 is a closed platform. They're very different business models so it's hard to compare their success. Like I said, i will admit I'm wrong if it can play ES4 Oblivion remake at a decent performance level. If it can't play a game that released this year what was the point of releasing it at all. Again, price to performance ratio is irrelevant if the baseline performance isn't enough. Just need to wait and see if they can get ES4 working on the Switch 2

It can play a game released this year, it's called Mario Kart World. What's the point of Rog Xbox Ally X if it cant play a game releases this year called Mario Kart World? Also why didn't you mention all of these excuses initially? You had no problem comparing these devices before despite knowing the differences? Price to performance ratio is also irrelevant if the price to too high to play games to begin with. If I could build a $20K super computer to play GTA 6 at 144 fps in 8K, do you honestly think I would build it? So the point is, you may or may not like the price to performance Switch 2 offers but you aren't the only consumer. What you think is good enough is relevant to just you, so it makes no sense for you to ask Nintendo why they don't make a Xbox series S level performance 8 or 10 inch tablet when you know there are millions of consumers NOT interested in that at all because the price may be too high. Thats understandable right? Feel free to invest in Rog Xbox Ally X or whatever else offers what you want (the ability to play ES4 or Oblivion remake at "decent performance").

https://youtu.be/wxtlCgLyKpY?si=Cx1Wrp0rjcf3jVHo

Why would you expect a game that runs very poorly on every console including the recently released ps5 pro to be the benchmark for the switch 2. 

Very poorly? Cmon now that's not true. Yeah it has a few issues but nothing that makes it unplayable. ES Skyrim was extremely successful on the Switch and a big part of why many bought a Switch because it was a launch title, so I don't know why your making out like it's strange to expect another ES on Switch 2

Skyrim was not a launch title. It released over half a year after the console launched. Skyrim sold ok on the Switch, but I doubt it was some huge system seller like you're trying to imply.

I enjoyed oblivion remastered, but the game runs very poorly on every platform. It rarely hits its target frame rate and it only gets worse the more you play. It even has severe frame drops on the ps5 pro the most powerful console on the market. 

Nothing you're saying in this thread makes any sense whatsoever. 

Yep I'm wrong about it being a launch title sorry about that. I just remembered seeing it being promoted at the Switch reveal so assumed it launched with it. There's no sales numbers released for the Switch version (not that I can find) so there's no point speculating on it's sales either.

Yeah, it's a demanding game and it has issues but can you blame me for saying that if it can't run it then I don't want Switch 2? It's a hugely successful franchise. That's what people want when they buy games systems, the biggest franchises. 

Oblivion Remastered is suffering all sort of issues on any platform, high end PCs including.

That said, it does run on Deck, so no reason why it shouldn't be running on SW2.

So it's performance relative to price?

So... I can buy a Switch OLED for about $200 AUD cheaper than the Switch 2. ($450 vs $650)
If we apply a dollar per frame metric to a game like the highly renowned Breath of the wild...

Switch OLED $450/30fps = $15 per fps.
Switch 2 $650/60fps = $10.83 per fps.
Rog Ally - $1200/60fps = $20 per fps.

But what if we were to grab a 60fps game like Metroid Prime 4?

Switch OLED $450/60fps = $7.50 per fps.
Switch 2 $650/120fps = $5.41 per fps.

But what about something like Doom 2016?

Switch OLED $450/30fps = $15 per fps.
Switch 2 $650/30fps = $21.66 per fps.
Rog Ally X $1200/90fps = $13.33 per fps.

So an older title like Doom 2016 is going to be the best price relative to performance on the Rog Ally X, large part that is due to being capped on the Switch 2, which is what is going to occur with a huge selection of backwards compatible games.

Switch OLED: 0.39 Teraflops. (0.23 Teraflops portable)
Switch 2: 3.02 Teraflops. (1.71 Terfalops portable)
Rog Ally 8.6 Teraflops.

Switch OLED is $1,153 per teraflop.
Switch 2 is $216 per teraflop.
Rog Ally X is $139 per teraflop.

So it seems the Rog Ally X is the best price relative to single precision floating point performance.

Unless you have another metric in mind that we can try to use in order to quantify real world performance in an accurate and empirical fashion? Flop/Tflop is not real world so I personally dislike using it.

Switch OLED also has a better display and longer battery life.

The best way to determine battery life is to fire up a game and run it flat.

In Breath of the Wild...
Switch OLED - 5.5 hours.
Switch 2 - 2.5 hours.

And that's all there is to it.


I am an owner of a Switch OLED and a Switch 2. You cannot lie to me and try and assert that Switch 2 has better battery life... It simply does not. Period.
https://www.nintendolife.com/guides/nintendo-switch-2-battery-life-how-does-it-compare

It does not and can not play the entirety of the Switch 1's library.

And there are literally hundreds of Switch 1 games that are full of graphics corruption issues and other gameplay bugs due to the tickrate being tied to framerate and the Switch 2 running those games faster.

https://www.nintendo.com/us/gaming-systems/switch-2/transfer-guide/compatible-games/

It's actually not subjective. It's objective.

OLED is a superior display technology.

HDR on the Switch 2 is -NOT- true HDR as the Switch 2 LACKS the backlight zones for true HDR.

120hz is great. 1080P is great. But OLED has lower latency, better blacks, better colours... And no crappy backlight bleed.

Anyone who tries to argue that LCD is better than OLED is living in a fantasy land, it's that simple.

I was playing Mario Kart World last night... And all I could think to myself was "I'm bored".
It's a good game and millions of people will buy it and play it, but it's a game that is very safe and doesn't push boundaries... Not worthy of the price hike IMHO.

I am looking forwards to the next Zelda and Metroid dropping.

But this is subjective take and not an objective one as I prefer games with a puzzle component or strategy. (I.E. Zelda or RTS games)

I have a question , I skimmed through so I'm not sure if my question has already been answered, was the difference in optimisation taken into account because while we have the hardware side to consider the game itself has undergone a lot of changes with iirc very little of those efforts aimed at the base PS4 and Xbox one consoles.