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BFR said:

Last thought to Jaicee, since your the OP in this thread, I would like to see your source for "the classic Political Compass Test" you mentioned in your OP.

My apologies if you have already listed your source.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/test/en?page=1



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the-pi-guy said:
BFR said:

Last thought to Jaicee, since your the OP in this thread, I would like to see your source for "the classic Political Compass Test" you mentioned in your OP.

My apologies if you have already listed your source.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/test/en?page=1

Ok Pi, I see your link.  But, is that site legit?  Also, there is no Authoritarian party in the USA. There is the Libertarian party, but they have never won jack squat in any US election !!!

The top and bottom of the pic in her OP should say "Democrat" and "Republican" and not what it says now.

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This entire thread is based on a false premise. You guys bought into the OP............................. hook, line, and sinker.



BFR said:

Ok Pi, I see your link.  But, is that site legit?  Also, there is no Authoritarian party in the USA. There is the Libertarian party, but they have never won jack squat in any US election !!!

The top and bottom of the pic in her OP should say "Democrat" and "Republican" and not what it says now.

Is this a serious post? 



the-pi-guy said:
BFR said:

Ok Pi, I see your link.  But, is that site legit?  Also, there is no Authoritarian party in the USA. There is the Libertarian party, but they have never won jack squat in any US election !!!

The top and bottom of the pic in her OP should say "Democrat" and "Republican" and not what it says now.

Is this a serious post? 

Pi, please try to follow my logic.  In the USA, the Libertarian party does exist. However, the "Authoritarian party" does not.

Looking at the OP in this very thread.  Which party is supposed to be the "Authoritarian" one - Dems or Repubs ?

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Edit: Are you telling me the word "Authoritarian" in that graph represents both parties ?



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BFR said:
the-pi-guy said:

Is this a serious post? 

Pi, please try to follow my logic.  In the USA, the Libertarian party does exist. However, the "Authoritarian party" does not.

Looking at the OP in this very thread.  Which party is supposed to be the "Authoritarian" one - Dems or Repubs ?

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Edit: Are you telling me the word "Authoritarian" in that graph represents both parties ?

The political compass has nothing to do with the US parties, but everything to do where you yourself stand politically. I did the test and it seems to be close enough. According to it, I'm within one point from the center to libertarian left. 



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bdbdbd said:
BFR said:

Pi, please try to follow my logic.  In the USA, the Libertarian party does exist. However, the "Authoritarian party" does not.

Looking at the OP in this very thread.  Which party is supposed to be the "Authoritarian" one - Dems or Repubs ?

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Edit: Are you telling me the word "Authoritarian" in that graph represents both parties ?

The political compass has nothing to do with the US parties, but everything to do where you yourself stand politically. I did the test and it seems to be close enough. According to it, I'm within one point from the center to libertarian left. 

Then why is the word "Libertarian" listed? That only references the Libertarian party, or have I got it wrong?

It should say something like "free spirit" or "anti-gov" instead.



Why do I get the feeling that the "Political compass test" is the creation of the Libertarian party?

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The starting point of the (original) Political Compass was in 2001, when we recognised the inadequacies of the standard political measure:

It’s certainly fine for discussing economics but to this day is still widely — and wrongly — used to describe social attitudes. France’s National Front, for example, is popularly described as “far right”, yet its economic policies have sometimes been to the left of even the French Socialist Party. The party’s real extremism is in its social attitudes. That’s why we added a social scale.

Nevertheless, the more nationalistic and authoritarian a party or individual is, the more ‘right-wing’ they’re still labelled. This, of course, is absurd. Taken to its logical conclusion, it means that the further left a country sits, the more socially liberal its attitudes are. on that basis, North Korea must be a shining model of human rights and social freedoms!

Conversely, a country may be very right wing (ie libertarian) in its economics, and be authoritarian at the same time. Singapore is a perfect example.

The Index of Economic Freedom produced by the Wall Street Journal and the conservative Heritage Foundation, hails Singapore as the economically freest nation on Earth in 2021. On the social scale, however, it’s a very different story. Human Rights Watch details its reasons for finding Singapore a deeply authoritarian state.

Take a look at a few contrasting nations on this chart:

SingaporeSwitzerlandUruguayChinaNorth KoreaSaudi ArabiaAuthoritarianLibertarianLeftRight←economic scale→←social scale→

Uruguay is currently rated the world’s 44 th most free economy, and a leading Latin American light in social freedoms — from gay and lesbian rights to legalisation of cannabis. Switzerland also has a high rating as a libertarian economy, while at the same time providing a wide range of social welfare programmes, in common with the Nordic states and a number of other western countries.

With the exception of its Hong Kong region, China maintains strong economic controls, though fewer than those associated with a more orthodox ruling ‘Communist’ party. In recent years China has shifted closer to the totally repressive social climate of North Korea, where the economy also is under the absolute control of the state. Saudi Arabia has veered futher towards a libertarian economy in recent times, but with no real relaxation of its sweeping authoritarian powers.

How You Can Help Us

A great deal of effort lies behind the development of The Political Compass, and the realisation of it in practical form. It has occasionally come to our attention that other sites have tried to exploit our work by copying it, adopting our name, or linking to us in a dishonest fashion.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2



BFR said:
the-pi-guy said:

Is this a serious post? 

Pi, please try to follow my logic.  In the USA, the Libertarian party does exist. However, the "Authoritarian party" does not.

Looking at the OP in this very thread.  Which party is supposed to be the "Authoritarian" one - Dems or Repubs ?

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Edit: Are you telling me the word "Authoritarian" in that graph represents both parties ?

Do you think North Korea (Democratic People's Republic of Korea) has some kind of relationship to the Democratic and Republican parties? 

The words Democrat, Republican, Libertarian have political meanings that have nothing to do with the parties. They've existed long before either of them. 

The words libertarian is centuries old. It's not some new fangled word. 

Both US political parties are generally considered to be in the top right corner. More authoritarian than libertarian. 

US Democrats are generally considered to be close to the middle. They're not an extremist party in any sense. 

US Republicans are generally considered to be close to the top right corner of the entire chart. 

US Libertarians would generally be near the bottom right corner.

Anarchists would likely be considered on the bottom left corner. 

The political compass has absolutely nothing to do with US political parties. 

The concept of the compass is potentially problematic. I think it's difficult to assign a singular score to anything as complex as political viewpoints. Two people could score similarly while having opposite viewpoints; they could just both swap left and right wing takes. 

The test is also problematic, because you get questions like if you have a government should it be doing things that help people? You might answer that question completely differently from "do you want a government that helps people?" - because you don't want any government. 



the-pi-guy said:
BFR said:

Pi, please try to follow my logic.  In the USA, the Libertarian party does exist. However, the "Authoritarian party" does not.

Looking at the OP in this very thread.  Which party is supposed to be the "Authoritarian" one - Dems or Repubs ?

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Edit: Are you telling me the word "Authoritarian" in that graph represents both parties ?

Do you think North Korea (Democratic People's Republic of Korea) has some kind of relationship to the Democratic and Republican parties? 

Me - Why would any sane person think the DPRK has any connection to any US political party, including the Libertarian one?

The words Democrat, Republican, Libertarian have political meanings that have nothing to do with the parties. They've existed long before either of them. 

Me - Sorry Pi, but when most people hear those words, they immediately associate them with their respective parties.

The words libertarian is centuries old. It's not some new fangled word. 

Both US political parties are generally considered to be in the top right corner. More authoritarian than libertarian. 

US Democrats are generally considered to be close to the middle. They're not an extremist party in any sense. 

US Republicans are generally considered to be close to the top right corner of the entire chart. 

US Libertarians would generally be near the bottom right corner.

Anarchists would likely be considered on the bottom left corner. 

The political compass has absolutely nothing to do with US political parties. 

ME - How can you say this for certain Pi? Tell me, who created the "Political compass test"

The concept of the compass is potentially problematic. I think it's difficult to assign a singular score to anything as complex as political viewpoints. Two people could score similarly while having opposite viewpoints; they could just both swap left and right wing takes. 

The test is also problematic, because you get questions like if you have a government should it be doing things that help people? You might answer that question completely differently from "do you want a government that helps people?" - because you don't want any government. 

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