starcraft said: The profits made on each disc sold go to the Blu-Ray disc association, a small amount of which then goes to Sony.  However, in addition to paying their share of the bribes and R&D cost, Sony was forced to disproportionately sacrifice their business interests by gimping the PS3's chances.  The PS3 fanboys keep reminding us how well the PS3 would have done if it had launched a year earlier at $399, and without Blu-Ray, it would have.

Just an FYI. THe BD disc association has yet to collect any royalties from anyone, and probably won't for a few years. They first need to get established in the market.

As for PS3 fans not wanting a BD player in there system, and I one that is VERY happy it's in there. My 360 sits unused for 7-8 months out of the year. If it wasn't for the BD payer in the PS3, it would be doing the same. As it stands now, I used it 4-5 times a week.

As a piece of consumer electronics, the PS3 has been a much better value.

 

Considering the PS3 is going up against so many competitors, it's sales are amazing.

I mean can you image if no 360 PS2 or anything else existed besides the PS3?

It would be at about 24.5 million right now.... wait a sec... um

LOL. They should all have gone for HD DVD. They all went Blu Ray and cut their market.

Reasonable said: I still think BR players will take over simply because they will be able to play BR and DVD (and upscale too) and so long as the price comes down you simply get more choice. Plus all the studios have to do is make the DVD versions 'skinny' and shove best extras on BR versions to encourage the film fans to go BR with new purchases while keeping existing DVDs.

Making standard DVD product "skinny" sounds good, but it's a gamble. Does it encourage migration to Blu-ray or does it frustrate the mass market of standard-DVD-player owners when they realize they're going to have to replace their 10-month old DVD player to see all the "extras" available on the "better" edition? Will they even know there is a "better" edition available when they walk into Best Buy and head straight for the massive standard-DVD section?

My guess is they will simply ignore the Blu-ray section except for the occasional foray out of curiosity. I've had family over to see HD movies, and while the guys in the family sometimes give the "ooooo, that looks great" response, most of the women ask what the big deal is and the kids couldn't care less... "look, the penguins are talking!".

If the studios all got together and decided to squash the standard-DVD format by supporting Blu-ray-only releases, that would definitely have a much stronger effect. Then again, it would be illegal in the US (collusion to restrict product within a market).

Blu-ray adoption will probably be slow and steady as HDTV penetration slowly increases, and assuming Blu-ray prices hit a reasonable level.

 

EDIT: assuming Blu-ray PLAYER prices and DISC prices hit a reasonable level.  The average player price is still far too high for mass-market acceptance, and the movie prices are rediculous.  Considering Blu-ray won the "HD war", I now expect the discs prices to remain high for the long term.  Get people used to a higher price point and stick with it.  Worked for DVD for years...'

 

crumas2 said: Reasonable said: I still think BR players will take over simply because they will be able to play BR and DVD (and upscale too) and so long as the price comes down you simply get more choice. Plus all the studios have to do is make the DVD versions 'skinny' and shove best extras on BR versions to encourage the film fans to go BR with new purchases while keeping existing DVDs. Making standard DVD product "skinny" sounds good, but it's a gamble. Does it encourage migration to Blu-ray or does it frustrate the mass market of standard-DVD-player owners when they realize they're going to have to replace their 10-month old DVD player to see all the "extras" available on the "better" edition? Will they even know there is a "better" edition available when they walk into Best Buy and head straight for the massive standard-DVD section? My guess is they will simply ignore the Blu-ray section except for the occasional foray out of curiosity. I've had family over to see HD movies, and while the guys in the family sometimes give the "ooooo, that looks great" response, most of the women ask what the big deal is and the kids couldn't care less... "look, the penguins are talking!". If the studios all got together and decided to squash the standard-DVD format by supporting Blu-ray-only releases, that would definitely have a much stronger effect. Then again, it would be illegal in the US (collusion to restrict product within a market). Blu-ray adoption will probably be slow and steady as HDTV penetration slowly increases, and assuming Blu-ray prices hit a reasonable level.   EDIT: assuming Blu-ray PLAYER prices and DISC prices hit a reasonable level. The average player price is still far too high for mass-market acceptance, and the movie prices are rediculous. Considering Blu-ray won the "HD war", I now expect the discs prices to remain high for the long term. Get people used to a higher price point and stick with it. Worked for DVD for years...'

 It cant take to long though. Whether or not anyone here agrees with Downloadable films whether to HDD or to some sort of SD or flash memoery on a kiosk in a shop, doesnt stop the fact that it is definately satrting to happen in one way or another right now. In 4 - 5 years time Downloads will be even more easy cheaper and available, so a new medium may have been a mistake. Especially from a business standpoint, with the billions Sony and Toshiba put into it. 

 

xD Selnor, All digital downloads as far as movies are concerned might be 10 years away, and by that point the BDA will have paid it'self off and then some. The next generation of consoles might ALL use blu-ray, well maybe all, I have a feeling Nintendo will stick with DVD (they seem to be a generation behind as far as physical format is concerned). Imagine that, all computer drives will end up being blu-ray drives, your next xbox will have a bluray drive, hell everything as far as optical media is concerned will be Blu-ray. Digital downloads will be picking up, but acceptability just isn't there for everyone. ESP not for high definition downloads. Do we even know the percentile of the world that has over a 5mbs internet connection?

ChronotriggerJM said: xD Selnor, All digital downloads as far as movies are concerned might be 10 years away, and by that point the BDA will have paid it'self off and then some. The next generation of consoles might ALL use blu-ray, well maybe all, I have a feeling Nintendo will stick with DVD (they seem to be a generation behind as far as physical format is concerned). Imagine that, all computer drives will end up being blu-ray drives, your next xbox will have a bluray drive, hell everything as far as optical media is concerned will be Blu-ray. Digital downloads will be picking up, but acceptability just isn't there for everyone. ESP not for high definition downloads. Do we even know the percentile of the world that has over a 5mbs internet connection?

Theres rumours of Toshiba and MS making a large capacity Flash or SD similar device for use with films ( and possibly games in next gen). Something I would be massively for as load times suck with disc. Cant wait to get rid of disc. It's an extremely old format now even with more storage.

 

ChronotriggerJM said: xD Selnor, All digital downloads as far as movies are concerned might be 10 years away, and by that point the BDA will have paid it'self off and then some. The next generation of consoles might ALL use blu-ray, well maybe all, I have a feeling Nintendo will stick with DVD (they seem to be a generation behind as far as physical format is concerned). Imagine that, all computer drives will end up being blu-ray drives, your next xbox will have a bluray drive, hell everything as far as optical media is concerned will be Blu-ray. Digital downloads will be picking up, but acceptability just isn't there for everyone. ESP not for high definition downloads. Do we even know the percentile of the world that has over a 5mbs internet connection?

Technological change accelerates.  I don't expect to wait as long for 5-50Mb/sec downloads as I did to go from dial-up to broadband.

We have several companies in Ohio vying for the broadband wireless market (Verizon, Sprint, Clear Channel, etc.).