PA is so important to the election but can't Shapiro still win it for Harris by remaining as Governor but campaigning his ass off for her behalf in PA during the election? I feel like Shapiro has baggage which may hurt Harris in outside states (like Michigan) but I know how important he is for PA and whoever wins PA likely wins the election.

I really want Walz and I'm trying to justify why he would be a better pick than Shapiro. Walz will probably get automatic credit for being a former teacher (coach) and highest ranking ex-military in Congress. He may be in a blue state but he represented a largely rural (red) district and beat a six-term Republican incumbent, Walz may be able to speak to rural folk better than some, his charm and way with words may get through to them, they can kiss goodbye to Florida but they were never winning Florida anyway so who cares about that.

What exerted effort to be better? You were constantly called out in the last thread for saying both sides are the same and here you are doing it again.

I also recall polls showing that despite support dropping among young & minority voters, Biden was seeing some gains with older voters.

Maybe Walz looking and talking like a grandpa will help retain those voters? I know him & Kamala are basically the same age but he definitely looks and acts older than her.

(yeah I should prolly avoid this forum lol.) Not a big fan of either Trump or Harris. Foreign policies are identical, domestic policy is marginally different. Economic policies are the difference of solidification versus furthering corporate power. Immigration policies are identical. Local-level courts don’t hold grand amounts of sway and no Democrat US Supreme Court justice is leaving anytime soon (and any Repub justice is still young enough to wait another 4y before dropping down). Dems choose to use abortion as a political football, refusing codification at all costs, and repubs will only re-enforce minor executive orders. Not much to comment on…it’s the election of white bread versus white bread with one extra gram of fiber.

My opinion is that both sides are only marginally different. If it's disrespectful for me to express my opinion, then I don't know what to say. Just stay silent if you have an opinion that isn't mind? Again, I'm happy to have a conversation, and I hope you are as well. (which you seeminlgy were up until I confirmed my identity...to which you resort to prejudice. If it's too much, leave me alone. I will talk with others here.)

Hey, you're the one who made the claim. I am expecting you to make decisions on how to back it up. For the record, I think there are substantial policy differences in every single one of those things you listed: Ukraine, NATO, Gaza, Taiwan.

Okie doke. I guess can start. What are the policies of Trump and Harris when it comes to Gaza? (I will avoid Ukraine and NATO for obvious reasons.) Here's what I have percieved:

>>Kamala Harris -> Rheotorically, she is far more sympathetic toward the innocent Palestinians than Biden and (especially) Trump. To see this, here are some immediate examples: https://x.com/VP/status/1731404365695528980, https://x.com/VP/status/1719858212134891738, https://x.com/VP/status/1779349618813235542, https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/kamala-harris-says-israel-has-right-to-defend-itself-against-hezbollah-6227644). Observe, however, that admist all this relatively sympathetic speaking, Kamala is very clear in expressing her interest in ensuring that "Israel has the right to defend itself", as can be seen by almost every example I've pulled up (and if you believe i have cherry-picked, which is a fair critique, then I suggest you do your own research).

Looking past rheotic (or as far as we can look past this), consider the outcome of Harris' meeting with Netanyahu a few weeks prior. The following statement would be released by the White House concerning this meeting: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2024/07/25/remarks-by-vice-president-harris-following-meeting-with-prime-minister-benjamin-netanyahu-of-israel/, https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/07/25/readout-of-vice-president-harriss-meeting-with-prime-minister-netanyahu-of-israel/. You could argue, again, this is all for spectics (i.e., my favorite word: rhetoric); however, this is all we've really got when it comes to Harris' relationship with the Prime Minister of Israel. It's filled with the empty words of "I want a two-state solution" and "We have a solution! Now HAMAS needs to agree.", and continues to insist that Israel does in fact have the "right to defend itself" (...might I ask, defend itself against what? What are the Palestinians even doing? All I can recall is October 7th...but this is beside the point.)

In short, seeing that the DNC has pledged their full support in nominating Kamala as the Democratic Presidential Nominee, there should be no question as to what her true stance on Israel will be: To continue the Biden policy of not only remaining complicit in a genocide, not only neglecting the usage of America's leveraging power to stop Israel from its abuse of force against innocent Palestinians, but also sending over "secret" executive military packages worhts hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars (https://truthout.org/articles/report-us-has-secretly-sent-israel-over-100-weapons-shipments-in-last-150-days/) and "finishing the job".

>>Donald Trump -> This is pretty cut-and-dry, and I don't think anyone will disagree when I say this: Donald Trump does not care to play this game of rhetoric. He is not afraid to say the quiet part out loud: Finish Them. If you want additional sources, I'm happy to provide. Though knowing this forum, I think y'all probably know Trump = bad.

>>Net difference? Both sides seem to support Israel's right to defend itself, just one side is far less explicit about it. But besides rheorhic, what is the true difference? I'm no foreign polciy expert, I can't give you specifics. In any case, the damage has already been done with 2% of the total population of Palestinians having been killed in direct combat. And any difference between the two will *likely* be marginal, as Israel will finish the deed in either case. Maybe y'all could enlighten me on the specific policies of their differences? (Though i have no idea why I would expect a VG forum to have people informed on military strategy lol.)

Okie doke. I guess can start. What are the policies of Trump and Harris when it comes to Gaza? (I will avoid Ukraine and NATO for obvious reasons.) Here's what I have percieved:

>>Kamala Harris -> Rheotorically, she is far more sympathetic toward the innocent Palestinians than Biden and (especially) Trump. To see this, here are some immediate examples: https://x.com/VP/status/1731404365695528980, https://x.com/VP/status/1719858212134891738, https://x.com/VP/status/1779349618813235542, https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/kamala-harris-says-israel-has-right-to-defend-itself-against-hezbollah-6227644). Observe, however, that admist all this relatively sympathetic speaking, Kamala is very clear in expressing her interest in ensuring that "Israel has the right to defend itself", as can be seen by almost every example I've pulled up (and if you believe i have cherry-picked, which is a fair critique, then I suggest you do your own research).

Looking past rheotic (or as far as we can look past this), consider the outcome of Harris' meeting with Netanyahu a few weeks prior. The following statement would be released by the White House concerning this meeting: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2024/07/25/remarks-by-vice-president-harris-following-meeting-with-prime-minister-benjamin-netanyahu-of-israel/, https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/07/25/readout-of-vice-president-harriss-meeting-with-prime-minister-netanyahu-of-israel/. You could argue, again, this is all for spectics (i.e., my favorite word: rhetoric); however, this is all we've really got when it comes to Harris' relationship with the Prime Minister of Israel. It's filled with the empty words of "I want a two-state solution" and "We have a solution! Now HAMAS needs to agree.", and continues to insist that Israel does in fact have the "right to defend itself" (...might I ask, defend itself against what? What are the Palestinians even doing? All I can recall is October 7th...but this is beside the point.)

In short, seeing that the DNC has pledged their full support in nominating Kamala as the Democratic Presidential Nominee, there should be no question as to what her true stance on Israel will be: To continue the Biden policy of not only remaining complicit in a genocide, not only neglecting the usage of America's leveraging power to stop Israel from its abuse of force against innocent Palestinians, but also sending over "secret" executive military packages worhts hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars (https://truthout.org/articles/report-us-has-secretly-sent-israel-over-100-weapons-shipments-in-last-150-days/) and "finishing the job".

>>Donald Trump -> This is pretty cut-and-dry, and I don't think anyone will disagree when I say this: Donald Trump does not care to play this game of rhetoric. He is not afraid to say the quiet part out loud: Finish Them. If you want additional sources, I'm happy to provide. Though knowing this forum, I think y'all probably know Trump = bad.

>>Net difference? Both sides seem to support Israel's right to defend itself, just one side is far less explicit about it. But besides rheorhic, what is the true difference? I'm no foreign polciy expert, I can't give you specifics. In any case, the damage has already been done with 2% of the total population of Palestinians having been killed in direct combat. And any difference between the two will *likely* be marginal, as Israel will finish the deed in either case. Maybe y'all could enlighten me on the specific policies of their differences? (Though i have no idea why I would expect a VG forum to have people informed on military strategy lol.)

mk, so we'll just go quick and easy. 

Foreign policy: Ukraine and NATO

Domestic Policy: Education and LGBT issues

How are these either identical for foreign policy or marginally different for the domestic ones.