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Shtinamin_ said:
Ryuu96 said:

Aged like milk

Yep. Haha that totally did age like expired milk.

My thought process behind it was that Kamala would be a soft pick while the DNC works on resetting themselves and decide to bring Michelle Obama as the nominee. Since she appeals to the same demographics as Kamala boasts in her ads and rallies and Michelle has even more appeal since there is a more positive motivation and memory to the Obama name for the democrats.

She would have presented the best shot for the Democrat party to win the election.

But I guess I was plain wrong on that specific prediction.

Though I standby with Senator Mark Kelly as Kamala’s VP. Since she needs to act like that she is already winning the election, and she is and has been heavily focused on Arizona with the topic of abortion. 

May I ask what predictions everyone else has? I appreciate people asking me questions but how can we learn if we don’t openly communicate our predictions or other “controversial ideas”. It’s okay to be wrong, just as long as you accept it, learn and move on.

I enjoy your other political posts, they are very informative and require great effort, keep it up!

>Michelle Obama as the nominee

That would require her to be interested in running. Which she said months ago, she wasn't. In fact she's repeatedly said over the entire past decade, that she wasn't interested. 

It would also require a lot of people coalescing around her, which no one was.  



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spurgeonryan said:

I am guessing, like reddit everyone on this site hates Trump?

Except me. I proudly support Trump (I just don't have the time to do what I want to show that support on here).

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After years on Reddit I have found no matter what you say, they won't listen anyways, and will probably get nasty, borderline hate speech towards you. Ain't worth it.

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burninmylight said:

Harris is expected to choose her running mate by Tuesday. Coincedentally, she has a rally in Philadelphia that day. It would be kind of messed up to unveil anyone not named Josh Shapiro in the state of Pennsylvania, so I guess we have that to look forward to.

While there is good reason to suspect it is Shapiro based on history this is no indication that it is him. 

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4804138-vp-pick-announcement-home-state-kamala-harris/

It's just as good a chance to announce someone else and still have Shapiro standing lock step with Harris to show his support. 



 

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Jaicee said:

Reportedly, Vice President Harris has narrowed her running mate choice down to six options and has declared that she will announce her choice by Monday, ahead of a campaign visit Philadelphia with said running mate in tow. She's having one last meet-up with each of the remaining options over the weekend. Though VP picks tend to have only a small impact on the race either way, I think the viral, and hilarious, meme-ification of JD Vance's cat fight with childless women proves that they can be cat-astrophic. (You're welcome.) (At least it proves you can mobilize proud pet owners to vote against you anyway And become the subject of countless cat-themed T-shirts The ones I've ordered so far include this one, this one, and this one. ) So...it can matter. Statistically, the dif tends to be small, but margins matter in a very close race such as we have here where who is leading now depends on which polling aggregator you trust more.

So, with all that said, the six finalists Harris is meeting this weekend include Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg, Minnesota Governor Tim Walz, Arizona Senator Mark Kelly, Kentucky Governor Andy Beshear, Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker, and Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro. If I were in her place, here's how I'd rank those choices from best to worst:

1. Andy Beshear
2. Josh Shapiro
3. Mark Kelly
4. Tim Walz
5. J.B. Pritzker
6. Pete Buttigieg

The Secretary of Transportation is unpopular and for good reason: people remember the post-Covid product shortages. Once you add to this the fact that he's gay in a country where it remains controversial to be gay, you have to realize that he's simply a bad choice and picking him can only hurt you. Shouldn't even be considered. Similarly, Pritzker shouldn't be in consideration. He's a fat byproduct of political machinery (i.e. fulfills a lot of very old and very negative stereotypes about politicians) from a state Democrats reliably carry anyway. Next! Tim Walz has lately emerged as the favorite of these options amongst liberals because he has the most liberal list of bills passed to show on his record and Minnesota is almost a swing state. Good points, but I'll argue that, though elections may be close, Democrats have reliably carried Minnesota in every presidential election since 1976. Not actually a swing state realistically. Next!

Beshear, Shapiro, and Kelly are the best options, IMO, in no small part because each of them is more moderate than Harris, who is well-known as a clear-cut social liberal in a country that polls show already thinks President Biden is too liberal. Harris's nomination has excited liberal Democrats, needless to say, and has practically eliminated the support that fringe left-wing candidates like Jill Stein of the Green Party and Harvard Professor Cornel West previously enjoyed while persuading many formerly undecided voters to the Democratic ticket. She's not faring as well so far with independents or the white working class, the latter of which hasn't budged at all in the polling since she took over the campaign. Those are the people she needs the most right now, and we're talking about more moderate voters here. Having clearly unified, excited, and mobilized her own party, the running mate choice should be about expanding support beyond the Democratic Party's ranks; beyond liberals, progressives, and suburban professionals, business owners, and music and movie icons. Reaching the broader working class. All three of these options are strong ones in the sense that they've proven their ability to outperform Biden in the past, but the statistics bear out that Beshear and Shapiro are the two who shine the most with the rural working class people, who used to vote Democratic all the time but now form much of the core Trump base of support. There are reasons for that.

Beshear and Shapiro are well-spoken people who don't support support banning guns, fracking, or gas-powered cars. Shapiro offers the factor of also being Jewish in a year wherein Democratic support for Jewish people has come into very, very serious question while Beshear also adds quite frankly his accent and family history of supporting coal miners. Both of them are very sane people who would have no trouble at all dispensing with JD Vance in a running mate debate and have proven their ability to negotiate well with Republicans, the latter of which is important too because realistically, if Kamala Harris wins she will inherit a hostile Congress that will render her dependent on swaying the votes of a few Republicans here and there to get anything passed. Kelly mostly brings the suburban appeal of his respectably patriotic history in the military and as a former astronaut and the past wisdom to criticize Biden's weak-ass border policies from his border state. Arizona though is only worth 11 electoral votes compared to Pennsylvania's 19, besides which many polls show Harris, who is also from the western part of the country (California) already leading in Arizona anyway, but struggling more in Pennsylvania. I encourage focusing on working class appeal. That's your weak spot. It shouldn't be. The Teamsters president is supposed to be on your team, not speaking at the Republican Convention. Win him back!

What I'm trying to get at is that this is an opportunity for Harris to show that she wants the support of the more moderate, blue collar voters who've been slowly drifting away from the party for decades now. That's the path to both the biggest possible victory and the most effective presidency you can have. Pick either Andy Beshear or Josh Shapiro. Mark Kelly and Tim Walz are good options too, but the other two will help you more where you need it most. That's my two cents.

Pete is fairly popular for Transportation Secretary. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/pete_buttigieg_favorableunfavorable-6816.html

And really popular among Dems at large https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/50250-what-democrats-think-about-kamala-harris-running-mates-vice-president.

It's only the Republican News apparatus that demonizes him despite the fact he regularly makes them look like fools. Well, R's and some online leftists still hate him from the 2020 election. 

He won't be the pick and shouldn't be because he does not bring much value to the ticket but he is popular. 

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Beshear is a terrible pick. He cannot carry Kentucky and outside their own state VP candidates do little. On top of that I hard disagree with his speaking abilities. He does not seem primetime ready.



 

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PDF said:
Jaicee said:

Reportedly, Vice President Harris has narrowed her running mate choice down to six options and has declared that she will announce her choice by Monday, ahead of a campaign visit Philadelphia with said running mate in tow. She's having one last meet-up with each of the remaining options over the weekend. Though VP picks tend to have only a small impact on the race either way, I think the viral, and hilarious, meme-ification of JD Vance's cat fight with childless women proves that they can be cat-astrophic. (You're welcome.) (At least it proves you can mobilize proud pet owners to vote against you anyway And become the subject of countless cat-themed T-shirts The ones I've ordered so far include this one, this one, and this one. ) So...it can matter. Statistically, the dif tends to be small, but margins matter in a very close race such as we have here where who is leading now depends on which polling aggregator you trust more.

So, with all that said, the six finalists Harris is meeting this weekend include Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg, Minnesota Governor Tim Walz, Arizona Senator Mark Kelly, Kentucky Governor Andy Beshear, Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker, and Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro. If I were in her place, here's how I'd rank those choices from best to worst:

1. Andy Beshear
2. Josh Shapiro
3. Mark Kelly
4. Tim Walz
5. J.B. Pritzker
6. Pete Buttigieg

The Secretary of Transportation is unpopular and for good reason: people remember the post-Covid product shortages. Once you add to this the fact that he's gay in a country where it remains controversial to be gay, you have to realize that he's simply a bad choice and picking him can only hurt you. Shouldn't even be considered. Similarly, Pritzker shouldn't be in consideration. He's a fat byproduct of political machinery (i.e. fulfills a lot of very old and very negative stereotypes about politicians) from a state Democrats reliably carry anyway. Next! Tim Walz has lately emerged as the favorite of these options amongst liberals because he has the most liberal list of bills passed to show on his record and Minnesota is almost a swing state. Good points, but I'll argue that, though elections may be close, Democrats have reliably carried Minnesota in every presidential election since 1976. Not actually a swing state realistically. Next!

Beshear, Shapiro, and Kelly are the best options, IMO, in no small part because each of them is more moderate than Harris, who is well-known as a clear-cut social liberal in a country that polls show already thinks President Biden is too liberal. Harris's nomination has excited liberal Democrats, needless to say, and has practically eliminated the support that fringe left-wing candidates like Jill Stein of the Green Party and Harvard Professor Cornel West previously enjoyed while persuading many formerly undecided voters to the Democratic ticket. She's not faring as well so far with independents or the white working class, the latter of which hasn't budged at all in the polling since she took over the campaign. Those are the people she needs the most right now, and we're talking about more moderate voters here. Having clearly unified, excited, and mobilized her own party, the running mate choice should be about expanding support beyond the Democratic Party's ranks; beyond liberals, progressives, and suburban professionals, business owners, and music and movie icons. Reaching the broader working class. All three of these options are strong ones in the sense that they've proven their ability to outperform Biden in the past, but the statistics bear out that Beshear and Shapiro are the two who shine the most with the rural working class people, who used to vote Democratic all the time but now form much of the core Trump base of support. There are reasons for that.

Beshear and Shapiro are well-spoken people who don't support support banning guns, fracking, or gas-powered cars. Shapiro offers the factor of also being Jewish in a year wherein Democratic support for Jewish people has come into very, very serious question while Beshear also adds quite frankly his accent and family history of supporting coal miners. Both of them are very sane people who would have no trouble at all dispensing with JD Vance in a running mate debate and have proven their ability to negotiate well with Republicans, the latter of which is important too because realistically, if Kamala Harris wins she will inherit a hostile Congress that will render her dependent on swaying the votes of a few Republicans here and there to get anything passed. Kelly mostly brings the suburban appeal of his respectably patriotic history in the military and as a former astronaut and the past wisdom to criticize Biden's weak-ass border policies from his border state. Arizona though is only worth 11 electoral votes compared to Pennsylvania's 19, besides which many polls show Harris, who is also from the western part of the country (California) already leading in Arizona anyway, but struggling more in Pennsylvania. I encourage focusing on working class appeal. That's your weak spot. It shouldn't be. The Teamsters president is supposed to be on your team, not speaking at the Republican Convention. Win him back!

What I'm trying to get at is that this is an opportunity for Harris to show that she wants the support of the more moderate, blue collar voters who've been slowly drifting away from the party for decades now. That's the path to both the biggest possible victory and the most effective presidency you can have. Pick either Andy Beshear or Josh Shapiro. Mark Kelly and Tim Walz are good options too, but the other two will help you more where you need it most. That's my two cents.

Beshear is a terrible pick. He cannot carry Kentucky and outside their own state VP candidates do little. On top of that I hard disagree with his speaking abilities. He does not seem primetime ready.

I don't think Beshear would be a terrible pick, I'd think that would have to be someone who would damage Harris campaign, like JD Vance, Lol. I do think Beshear is the "safe" pick though in the sense that I don't believe he'd hurt Harris but I don't believe he'd aid her campaign much either, he obviously won't flip Kentucky and I reckon would have a very minor effect outside of Kentucky. Beshear is essentially the "do no harm" idea when picking a VP, Beshear of all the candidates has the least baggage so he'll be fine, though I do also agree he's a pretty bland orator.

I'd want Kelly or Walz. But if you need Shapiro for Pennsylvania...Then it can't really be anyone else can it? PA is too important to the election. If you can't be sure you can win it without Shapiro then I don't see it being anyone else. If you don't need Shapiro to win PA then my brain says Kelly but my heart says Walz...I think Kelly still has the best national appeal but Walz is so damn charming, Lol.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 04 August 2024

spurgeonryan said:

After years on Reddit I have found no matter what you say, they won't listen anyways, and will probably get nasty, borderline hate speech towards you. Ain't worth it.

At least here there are more rules compared to reddit.

Haven't seen you post on here in years. Welcome back!

Shtinamin_ said:
spurgeonryan said:

I am guessing, like reddit everyone on this site hates Trump?

Except me. I proudly support Trump (I just don't have the time to do what I want to show that support on here).

#californiansfortrump

Why do you support Trump again?

Last edited by burninmylight - on 04 August 2024

Trump and Vance keep acting the fool, and I'm loving it. This will cost them the election. Trump has long wanted to act like the rules don't belong to him. He gets a felony but isn't sentenced. He can be abrasive as the devil, but other politicians vend over backwards to be polite and show goodwill.

This is basically my reaction this which I just read

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/08/03/trump-brian-kemp-georgia-00172564