I honestly have no idea what that first sentence means.

How about since you’re the one who brought them up, you tell me how voting doesn’t change the Ukraine/Israel/Taiwan situation?

Leave them alone obviously. We don't have boots on the ground, otherwise, there would undoubtedly be nuclear warfare.

Also, if you understood what was actually going on in Ukraine and Taiwan, you'd understand that the USA leaving the region wouldn't mean the ceasing of these countries' existence. I can assure you, Russia doesn't have the capacity nor the interest to conquer all of Ukraine. In fact, this conflict was introduced entirely in response to incessant USA provocation over centuries. The USA had a red line agreement with former USSR/Russia that countries like Ukraine would never join NATO...but for whatever reason, the USA was insistent on shoving NATO offers down Ukraine's throat, thereby violating our agreement, *despite the fact that Ukraine was in unanimous agreement that they were not interested in joining NATO* (and for obvious reason: They don't want conflict between Russia and the USA to be taking place in Ukraine). The USA's intention in sending this agreement was to ensure greater surveillance and control over Russia and their development as a country. Imagine if Russia started going-to-bat on behalf of Puerto Rico against the USA...

On that note, it's funny how Americans will defend USA dominance throughout their sphere of influence, yet will get all up-in-arms whenever China or Russia seeks to do the exact same thing. What's even more funny is the objective fact also that the USA treats their colonies (important note! Colonies are treated different than homeland) is arguably far worse than how China and Russia treat the countries within their respective spheres of influence.

Looking at Taiwan, China has no interest in invading and conquering the region. However, that's not to say China isn't in talks with eventually leading Taiwan *under their sovereign choice* to join China: It's not advantageous to colonize a nation which is not interested in being colonized, and China being a developing country, it makes sense why they'd be seeking to do it in as civil manner as possible. This has been a several decades long process, and yet only now the USA is intervening...why is this? Because China is gaining strength, and the USA doesn't like this. We are the global hegemony, and our dominance is bearing witness to potential threats. Certainly not short-term threats, but in the long-term, it is advantageous for the USA to stop China in their tracks via provoking China in begin military intervention in Taiwan. (That, and conflicts for developing nations always stagger development. So in intervening in Taiwan and Ukraine, the USA -- having the advantage of being able to afford wartime losses -- is initiating conflict with Russia and China, staggering their development and any potential for them to hold strength in their sphere of influence.)

you not understanding the first sentence checks out (because I know critical thinking skills are a little challenging for you)...but to make things a little more explicit, I made a joke stating how if I were to ask you for a reason to actually care about this USA election, you would be puzzled...but you want some reason to care, so you just come up with some random things as outrage or whatever.

Second sentence: How does voting not change the conflicts? What I want is very simple and straight-forward: Leave the regions alone. And it doesn't matter if Trump or Biden is elected. Ultimately, the USA state department is the one who controls these two when it comes to foreign affairs, and they have no interest in ending these conflicts anytime soon. Similarly, military packages are bipartisan legislations, so it doesn't even matter which party is in-charge, for these packages will always be getting sent.

It would also be nice if the USA wasn't among the only countries to vote (in the UN) against sending humanitarian aid to Gaza, and only abstaining when the humanitarian aid proposal was significantly reduced. 

Who isn't debating in good faith? Admittedly I zoned out of the college debt debate, I have my opinion on the matter but felt I didn't have much to add, the debate before that was largely against some user who was spewing crazy conspiracy theories with zero evidence for his claims and actively ignoring those who refuted his claims, so who was arguing in bad faith there?

America could make more progress if Republicans didn't block every attempt to make progress or move things forward, if Republicans didn't actively take away the rights of people such as women, Republicans are actively backsliding America's "progress" with their policies and yes, wasting our time on shit like Hunter Biden and sham impeachments.

Who was it that blocked the right wing border bill from being put forth? Oh right, the Republicans and why did they do it? Because Trump told them to because it is election season and they care more about being able to moan about something to rile up their fanbase than actually "fixing" it. A big issue is the Republican Party has a big rot growing inside of it, a MAGA cult and the moderate Republicans have been too cowardly to stand up against them, they will let that rot grow and it prevents actual progress from being made.

Who was it that prevented the foreign aid bill from being put forth for months? The one that Senate passed? Oh, Republicans once again and why? Cause they were playing politics with Ukrainians lives, a Senate bill which had the votes to pass but Mike Johnson refused to put it to the floor and now he has finally put a foreign aid bill to the floor of his own creation which is almost exactly the same as the Senate bill! Wasting months!

Just now, the Democrats saved a Republican created foreign aid bill in the rules committee and not only that, more Democrats voted to move the Republican created foreign aid bill forward than Republicans themselves! Something which is unprecedented in modern politics and has the MAGA cult screaming at Mike Johnson for working with the Democrats to move bills forward.

How voting helps, if Democrats had control of the House, the Senate package would have been put forth onto House floor and passed months ago, instead, thanks to Republicans delaying thing, Ukrainians have died due to a lack of support, a lack of air defence, children have died thanks to Republicans fucking around for months.

There's a large portion of MAGA who will happily let Russia genocide Ukraine while the vast majority of Democrats actually want to give Ukraine a chance to not be slaughtered.

The Taiwanese situation...Nothing has happened with them yet but I'll tell you what, the chances of something happening with Taiwan significantly increase if we let Russia win with Ukraine because it shows to China that the West cannot or will not defend its allies, it will increase wars across the world and eventually, you Americans even though you believe you're safe across the ocean, will be dragged into it.

Leave? In what sense? There's no American troops in these regions.

I'm guessing you mean "why doesn't America just be an isolationist country, fuck its allies and let them die"

Lovely attitude to have...Why do people think America is an unreliable ally again...

Don’t be a dick to me just because you wrote a gibberish statement. I don’t know why you are so singularly focused on foreign aid, most people vote based on domestic issues so even if you were right about this issue (you’re not) than there would still be plenty of reasons for people to care about this election.

Nah, it wouldn't. That Botox lunatic who is scared to sit near people on a table definitely does not want to die in a nuclear hellfire, this constant and unfounded fear that if we step up to Russia, it will lead to a nuclear warfare, is unfounded and is exactly what Russia wants us to think, there are British special forces in Ukraine right now as confirmed by Germany and despite Russia threatening UK about 500 times, we're still alive.

Every. Single. Threat. That Russia has made to the West, every single "redline" that we've crossed...Russia did fuck all...We broke them all, I'll just list some of the "redlines" for you, which Russia said would result in "very bad things" happening to us. Russia could barely defend Moscow from a militia group (Wagner) and Putin fled to fucking St Petersburg when it happened, this ain't a man who wants to die.

• Supporting Ukraine at all was a redline.
• ATGM was a redline.
• Modern MBTs was a redline.
• Long-Range Missiles was a redline.
• Modern Fighter Jets was a redline.

Russia has made literally dozens of threats of nuclear war against us...We're still here.

The only way nuclear war happens if is the West starts marching on Moscow, not if we help Ukraine.

You don't understand what is actually going on in Ukraine.

Russia has multiple times said their goals haven't changed, they want to conquer Ukraine, at the very minimum they want everything up to Odessa and Kyiv which is half the country and the capital, how exactly do you assume that Russia doesn't have the capacity to conquer all of Ukraine? Russia owns the biggest land on Earth and half of it is a shithole due to neglect, they do not care how they take Ukraine, as long as they take it, which means completely destroying the destroy, if you've seen the images of Ukrainian cities then you wouldn't naively say Russia "doesn't have the capacity" to conquer all of Ukraine.

Russia's imperialistic goals are the restoration of their "Empire" and that includes all of Ukraine and Belarus and any country which refuses such as Ukraine, is taken by force so yes, they very much do have interest in conquering all of Ukraine, as they've repeated both publicly and privately multiple times, you clearly have barely followed this conflict at all or Russia's own words.

Wrong and Russian propaganda to justify the invasion.

There was no such agreement in writing that NATO would not expand its borders.

De-Bunking Russian Disinformation on NATO

You know what was writing in writing though? The Budapest Memorandum, in which the UK, USA and Russia agreed with each other to "Respect the signatory's (Ukraine) independence and sovereignty" and "Refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of the signatories to the memorandum, and undertake that none of their weapons will ever be used against these countries" essentially Security Assurances for Ukraine in exchange for Ukraine to surrender its nuclear weapons.

Who broke that agreement? Oh right, Russia.

You do realise how NATO works, right? You do know that every single country gets a vote? And that if one country votes against another joining that the country can't join at all? You do know that Ukraine already tried to join NATO once before back in 2008 and that France and Germany voted against it? Then after that America gave up on.

You do know that Ukraine today wants to join NATO and there is huge support for it amongst the public? You are aware of the Ukraine riots in 2014, the Euromaiden, in response to President Yanukovych's decision not to sign a political association and free trade agreement with the European Union which resulted in a President heavily seen by Ukrainians as being a Russian puppet being kicked out of office by the people?

Nobody forces a country to join NATO, it is purely a defensive organisation and not once in NATO's history has it been used in anything other than that defensive capacity, the only time Article 5 has EVER been enforced was by America in response to the 9/11 attacks. There's a reason why the majority of countries near Russia are in NATO and it isn't because as you would try to have people believe, that they'd dumb fucks who can't think for themselves and are just being controlled by big bad America, it's because Russia constantly threatens and invades its neighbours.

Ukraine was nowhere near to joining NATO...Why? Because NATO would have never allowed a country into it which is in active conflict with another and Ukraine was in active conflict, with Russia, the only way Ukraine could have joined NATO is if they officially gave up claim over Crimea and Donbas...Russia knows full well that Ukraine wasn't anywhere close to joining NATO, they are the ones who designed it so that would be the case, by starting a small conflict they prevent Ukraine from joining NATO at all because NATO does not want a war with Russia.

The idea that Russia invaded Ukraine because of NATO makes absolutely zero sense when you put a bit of thought into it and also is Russian propaganda to justify the slaughter of thousands when Russia themselves have said they want Ukraine because they see it as "theirs" and that Ukraine as a country doesn't exist, nor do Ukrainians as an ethnic people.

Congratulations on expanding NATO borders though with Finland joining...Wonder why Russia didn't invade Finland to stop them joining NATO...Wonder why Russia pulled troops away from the Finnish border...Oh right, because it was never about NATO and it's just some bullshit propaganda to rile up the nationalism in their own people "RUSSIA VS THE WORLD!!!" and for naïve fools in the West to spread to convince less support of Ukraine.

Also: US Opposes Offering Ukraine a Road Map to NATO Membership

Lol.

...Lol. You really think America needs Ukraine to surveillance Russia? C'mon...

Europe tried for dozens of years to coddle Russia and work with them, we looked the other way as Russia committed multiples violations in exchange for peace and money, in the blind faith that Russia would change and start working with us one day, despite the atrocities they committed in Afghanistan, Syria, Chechnya, their illegal invasion of Crimea, their Russian backed proxies causing wars in violence in Donbas and Transnistria, their invasion of Georgia, their assassinations on foreign soil (UK, for example) using deadly nerve agents.

Imagine if Russian proxy forces attacked American troops...Oh right, they actually did that, Wagner in Syria...Good thing they got wiped out.

"America bad so Russia and China good" Got it, Lol. Great logic.

Here's how Russia treats countries near it.

You know just because America has done some horrific things in its history doesn't mean you have to simp for modern day Hitler?

Lol. Sure. People said Russia would never invade Ukraine as well, Russia has no interest in invading or conquering Ukraine. They were wrong. When a country makes constant threats...Maybe we should take those threats seriously.

Tell that to Russia (Putin)...Or Hitler...Or every fascist imperialist ruler in history who has colonized a nation which had no interest in being colonized...

JFC You are naïve. 

News flash, it takes a long time for a country to build the military strength to invade another and China has been rapidly increasing its military strength which is worrying, not just to Taiwan but multiple of China's neighbours, there's a reason why China like Russia is also disliked by many of its neighbours but people like you treat them like they're just stupid pawns on America's board who don't understand why they dislike China/Russia other than America told them to, the peak of American arrogance to think that your country dictates how every country thinks or feels.

Zorg wasn't a dick to you so don't be a dick to him.

I'm not even American but I feel like answering that, I care about the USA election because I care about how humans are treated outside of my own country, I don't want to be the type of person who says "fuck you, go die" to our allies. I care about the USA election because I see women's bodily rights being attacked and taken away by Republicans, because I see LGBTQ+ people being treated like shit by Republicans, because Donald Trump wants to destroy America's democracy and I have friends in America.

And yes, I care about the USA elections because I see America as an ally under Democrats but not under Republicans, because Europe needs America's help, Ukraine needs America's help, if it weren't for France, Americans would still be sipping tea and flying a flag to the monarchy, it was Europe who rushed to America's assistance after 9/11 and the only time Article 5 was ever enforced, now Europe is asking for America's help because there's a fascist imperialist threatening us and our allies, slaughtering thousands and we as human beings should stand up against evil like that.

Do I like everything Biden is doing? No, I hate how much America supports Israel, I would not happily vote for Biden if I was American but I would do so because a Trump presidency would be far worse, for basically everyone not a white male in America, for America's democracy, for America's allies, for Ukraine and even for Palestine, I'd rather take my chances at trying to bring Biden around than a lunatic like Trump.

Which has to be signed by the President and Trump has already told Orban that he would not send a single penny more to Ukraine, aka let them die.

And we literally just had the Republicans spend months of not sending Ukraine aid, refusing to put an aid package to the floor, only for them to put forth a new aid package, almost exactly the same as the Senate aid package, simply because Johnson was either terrified of the MAGA base or told not to by Trump, months of time wasted by the Republicans which wouldn't have been if Democrats were in charge.

I like how you didn't really address my response, you just pouted about how I was mean at the start lol.

I'm sorry...please be a little more concise. I will read length responses, but I'm not looking to compile a college essay trying to address everything you said. From what I read, however, it seems as though you're arguments rely either on (i) sensationalist propaganda pieces (with those photos in particular...I can just as easily pull up a photo of children in Gaza being decapitated and say "Oh look how America treats the third-world". Pull up data and *examine the history of events from both perspectives* on what led to the conflict, not shock-and-awe stories), (ii) shoot-down tactics (i.e. instead of addressing my argument, you immediately "shoot it down" with some one-liner like "Tell that to Hitler"), and (iii) hyper focusing on one-sides telling of events (we live in the west, and media outlets get all their information on military affairs from the state department...of course it's going to be skewed a little. Same exact problem with Russia media.).

Take what I said into mind, and respond again. Otherwise, I will ignore further responses.

(p.s. Being observant of both Russia and the U.S.A.'s problems in a conflict shouldn't be seen as "Russia/China = Good!". Yes, I've focused a little more on the USA's issues in my discussion thus far, but that's more because I'm speaking with somebody who's of the opinion that America is innocent, and Russia is the "bad guy!". You need to consider where the "good guy" could've gone wrong, and how this may have contributed to spurring the conflict.)

I didn’t address it because I don’t care to get in a back and forth about foreign aid, which you are already debating multiple people about, as it has nothing to do with my initial response to you.

Your original statement was about how voting doesn’t matter and both sides are the same, getting hung up on a single issue (one that likely ranks low among the average voter) won’t prove/disprove anything.

How are they the same in regards to healthcare, abortion, immigration, infrastructure, climate change, crime, LGBT rights, voting rights, gun safety, childcare, student loans, marijuana legalization, labor rights, housing, tax policy, etc?