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KLAMarine said:
zorg1000 said:

Yes or they acknowledge it but refuse to do anything about it. Now obviously I don’t mean “each and every Republican politician & voter” but the general rhetoric among conservatives has been deflection.

The response to Black Lives Matter, which is meant to draw attention to the issue, has been met with the counterpoint All Lives Matter which completely ignores the issue.

Then there is legislation, in 2021 the Democrat controlled House introduced the Justice in Policing Act. It passed 220-212 with only a single Republican vote. It then died in the Senate as it did not have 10 Republican votes needed to overcome the filibuster.

here is the summary:

This bill addresses a wide range of policies and issues regarding policing practices and law enforcement accountability. It increases accountability for law enforcement misconduct, restricts the use of certain policing practices, enhances transparency and data collection, and establishes best practices and training requirements. 

The bill enhances existing enforcement mechanisms to remedy violations by law enforcement. Among other things, it does the following: 

  • lowers the criminal intent standard—from willful to knowing or reckless—to convict a law enforcement officer for misconduct in a federal prosecution, 
  • limits qualified immunity as a defense to liability in a private civil action against a law enforcement officer, and
  • grants administrative subpoena power to the Department of Justice (DOJ) in pattern-or-practice investigations.

It establishes a framework to prevent and remedy racial profiling by law enforcement at the federal, state, and local levels. It also limits the unnecessary use of force and restricts the use of no-knock warrants, chokeholds, and carotid holds.

The bill creates a national registry—the National Police Misconduct Registry—to compile data on complaints and records of police misconduct. It also establishes new reporting requirements, including on the use of force, officer misconduct, and routine policing practices (e.g., stops and searches).

Finally, it directs DOJ to create uniform accreditation standards for law enforcement agencies and requires law enforcement officers to complete training on racial profiling, implicit bias, and the duty to intervene when another officer uses excessive force.

zorg1000 said:

Yes or they acknowledge it but refuse to do anything about it. Now obviously I don’t mean “each and every Republican politician & voter” but the general rhetoric among conservatives has been deflection.

The response to Black Lives Matter, which is meant to draw attention to the issue, has been met with the counterpoint All Lives Matter which completely ignores the issue.

Then there is legislation, in 2021 the Democrat controlled House introduced the Justice in Policing Act. It passed 220-212 with only a single Republican vote. It then died in the Senate as it did not have 10 Republican votes needed to overcome the filibuster.

here is the summary:

This bill addresses a wide range of policies and issues regarding policing practices and law enforcement accountability. It increases accountability for law enforcement misconduct, restricts the use of certain policing practices, enhances transparency and data collection, and establishes best practices and training requirements. 

The bill enhances existing enforcement mechanisms to remedy violations by law enforcement. Among other things, it does the following: 

  • lowers the criminal intent standard—from willful to knowing or reckless—to convict a law enforcement officer for misconduct in a federal prosecution, 
  • limits qualified immunity as a defense to liability in a private civil action against a law enforcement officer, and
  • grants administrative subpoena power to the Department of Justice (DOJ) in pattern-or-practice investigations.

It establishes a framework to prevent and remedy racial profiling by law enforcement at the federal, state, and local levels. It also limits the unnecessary use of force and restricts the use of no-knock warrants, chokeholds, and carotid holds.

The bill creates a national registry—the National Police Misconduct Registry—to compile data on complaints and records of police misconduct. It also establishes new reporting requirements, including on the use of force, officer misconduct, and routine policing practices (e.g., stops and searches).

Finally, it directs DOJ to create uniform accreditation standards for law enforcement agencies and requires law enforcement officers to complete training on racial profiling, implicit bias, and the duty to intervene when another officer uses excessive force.

"Yes or they acknowledge it but refuse to do anything about it"

I'm reading there was attempts by Republicans to 'do something about it' but Democrats didn't like it so those efforts also died...

"The bill never advanced in 2020, due to opposition by Republicans, who then controlled the Senate. Republican senators led by Tim Scott proposed alternative police legislation that was far narrower than the House bill favored by Democrats...the Senate Republican proposal failed in a procedural vote of 55–45, on a mostly-party line vote"

Probably because any actual change was completely removed from the republican bill. The only positive the republican bill had was it encouraged the use of body cam footage, though we've already seen how often those are just 'accidently' turned off when something happens.

The republican bill removed any additional limitations to qualified immunity, one of the major sticking points of the bill. It also removed restrictions on chockeholds and no-knock warrants. The bill went from banning cops from these things to just saying, please do your best not to do these things, but there is no change in the consequences if you do these things.

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KLAMarine said:
zorg1000 said:

Yes or they acknowledge it but refuse to do anything about it. Now obviously I don’t mean “each and every Republican politician & voter” but the general rhetoric among conservatives has been deflection.

The response to Black Lives Matter, which is meant to draw attention to the issue, has been met with the counterpoint All Lives Matter which completely ignores the issue.

Then there is legislation, in 2021 the Democrat controlled House introduced the Justice in Policing Act. It passed 220-212 with only a single Republican vote. It then died in the Senate as it did not have 10 Republican votes needed to overcome the filibuster.

here is the summary:

This bill addresses a wide range of policies and issues regarding policing practices and law enforcement accountability. It increases accountability for law enforcement misconduct, restricts the use of certain policing practices, enhances transparency and data collection, and establishes best practices and training requirements. 

The bill enhances existing enforcement mechanisms to remedy violations by law enforcement. Among other things, it does the following: 

  • lowers the criminal intent standard—from willful to knowing or reckless—to convict a law enforcement officer for misconduct in a federal prosecution, 
  • limits qualified immunity as a defense to liability in a private civil action against a law enforcement officer, and
  • grants administrative subpoena power to the Department of Justice (DOJ) in pattern-or-practice investigations.

It establishes a framework to prevent and remedy racial profiling by law enforcement at the federal, state, and local levels. It also limits the unnecessary use of force and restricts the use of no-knock warrants, chokeholds, and carotid holds.

The bill creates a national registry—the National Police Misconduct Registry—to compile data on complaints and records of police misconduct. It also establishes new reporting requirements, including on the use of force, officer misconduct, and routine policing practices (e.g., stops and searches).

Finally, it directs DOJ to create uniform accreditation standards for law enforcement agencies and requires law enforcement officers to complete training on racial profiling, implicit bias, and the duty to intervene when another officer uses excessive force.

zorg1000 said:

Yes or they acknowledge it but refuse to do anything about it. Now obviously I don’t mean “each and every Republican politician & voter” but the general rhetoric among conservatives has been deflection.

The response to Black Lives Matter, which is meant to draw attention to the issue, has been met with the counterpoint All Lives Matter which completely ignores the issue.

Then there is legislation, in 2021 the Democrat controlled House introduced the Justice in Policing Act. It passed 220-212 with only a single Republican vote. It then died in the Senate as it did not have 10 Republican votes needed to overcome the filibuster.

here is the summary:

This bill addresses a wide range of policies and issues regarding policing practices and law enforcement accountability. It increases accountability for law enforcement misconduct, restricts the use of certain policing practices, enhances transparency and data collection, and establishes best practices and training requirements. 

The bill enhances existing enforcement mechanisms to remedy violations by law enforcement. Among other things, it does the following: 

  • lowers the criminal intent standard—from willful to knowing or reckless—to convict a law enforcement officer for misconduct in a federal prosecution, 
  • limits qualified immunity as a defense to liability in a private civil action against a law enforcement officer, and
  • grants administrative subpoena power to the Department of Justice (DOJ) in pattern-or-practice investigations.

It establishes a framework to prevent and remedy racial profiling by law enforcement at the federal, state, and local levels. It also limits the unnecessary use of force and restricts the use of no-knock warrants, chokeholds, and carotid holds.

The bill creates a national registry—the National Police Misconduct Registry—to compile data on complaints and records of police misconduct. It also establishes new reporting requirements, including on the use of force, officer misconduct, and routine policing practices (e.g., stops and searches).

Finally, it directs DOJ to create uniform accreditation standards for law enforcement agencies and requires law enforcement officers to complete training on racial profiling, implicit bias, and the duty to intervene when another officer uses excessive force.

"Yes or they acknowledge it but refuse to do anything about it"

I'm reading there was attempts by Republicans to 'do something about it' but Democrats didn't like it so those efforts also died...

"The bill never advanced in 2020, due to opposition by Republicans, who then controlled the Senate. Republican senators led by Tim Scott proposed alternative police legislation that was far narrower than the House bill favored by Democrats...the Senate Republican proposal failed in a procedural vote of 55–45, on a mostly-party line vote"

The Tim Scott proposal doesn’t sound like a good faith compromise, especially in regards to black people being disproportionately targeted, here is the summary:

This bill addresses policies and issues regarding policing practices and law enforcement accountability. The bill funds state and local grants, incentivizes state and local reporting on the use of certain policing practices, creates new federal offenses for certain misconduct, establishes a commission to study the conditions affecting Black men and boys, and establishes best practices and training requirements.

The Democrat House bill mentions ways to “prevent and remedy racial profiling by law enforcement” while the Republican Senate bill will “establish a commission to study the conditions affecting black men and boys”

To me that sounds like shifting the blame from the people doing the racial profiling to the people who are being racially profiled.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

badskywalker said:
KLAMarine said:
zorg1000 said:

Yes or they acknowledge it but refuse to do anything about it. Now obviously I don’t mean “each and every Republican politician & voter” but the general rhetoric among conservatives has been deflection.

The response to Black Lives Matter, which is meant to draw attention to the issue, has been met with the counterpoint All Lives Matter which completely ignores the issue.

Then there is legislation, in 2021 the Democrat controlled House introduced the Justice in Policing Act. It passed 220-212 with only a single Republican vote. It then died in the Senate as it did not have 10 Republican votes needed to overcome the filibuster.

here is the summary:

This bill addresses a wide range of policies and issues regarding policing practices and law enforcement accountability. It increases accountability for law enforcement misconduct, restricts the use of certain policing practices, enhances transparency and data collection, and establishes best practices and training requirements. 

The bill enhances existing enforcement mechanisms to remedy violations by law enforcement. Among other things, it does the following: 

  • lowers the criminal intent standard—from willful to knowing or reckless—to convict a law enforcement officer for misconduct in a federal prosecution, 
  • limits qualified immunity as a defense to liability in a private civil action against a law enforcement officer, and
  • grants administrative subpoena power to the Department of Justice (DOJ) in pattern-or-practice investigations.

It establishes a framework to prevent and remedy racial profiling by law enforcement at the federal, state, and local levels. It also limits the unnecessary use of force and restricts the use of no-knock warrants, chokeholds, and carotid holds.

The bill creates a national registry—the National Police Misconduct Registry—to compile data on complaints and records of police misconduct. It also establishes new reporting requirements, including on the use of force, officer misconduct, and routine policing practices (e.g., stops and searches).

Finally, it directs DOJ to create uniform accreditation standards for law enforcement agencies and requires law enforcement officers to complete training on racial profiling, implicit bias, and the duty to intervene when another officer uses excessive force.

"Yes or they acknowledge it but refuse to do anything about it"

I'm reading there was attempts by Republicans to 'do something about it' but Democrats didn't like it so those efforts also died...

"The bill never advanced in 2020, due to opposition by Republicans, who then controlled the Senate. Republican senators led by Tim Scott proposed alternative police legislation that was far narrower than the House bill favored by Democrats...the Senate Republican proposal failed in a procedural vote of 55–45, on a mostly-party line vote"

Probably because any actual change was completely removed from the republican bill. The only positive the republican bill had was it encouraged the use of body cam footage, though we've already seen how often those are just 'accidently' turned off when something happens.

The republican bill removed any additional limitations to qualified immunity, one of the major sticking points of the bill. It also removed restrictions on chockeholds and no-knock warrants. The bill went from banning cops from these things to just saying, please do your best not to do these things, but there is no change in the consequences if you do these things.

zorg1000 said:
KLAMarine said:
zorg1000 said:

Yes or they acknowledge it but refuse to do anything about it. Now obviously I don’t mean “each and every Republican politician & voter” but the general rhetoric among conservatives has been deflection.

The response to Black Lives Matter, which is meant to draw attention to the issue, has been met with the counterpoint All Lives Matter which completely ignores the issue.

Then there is legislation, in 2021 the Democrat controlled House introduced the Justice in Policing Act. It passed 220-212 with only a single Republican vote. It then died in the Senate as it did not have 10 Republican votes needed to overcome the filibuster.

here is the summary:

This bill addresses a wide range of policies and issues regarding policing practices and law enforcement accountability. It increases accountability for law enforcement misconduct, restricts the use of certain policing practices, enhances transparency and data collection, and establishes best practices and training requirements. 

The bill enhances existing enforcement mechanisms to remedy violations by law enforcement. Among other things, it does the following: 

  • lowers the criminal intent standard—from willful to knowing or reckless—to convict a law enforcement officer for misconduct in a federal prosecution, 
  • limits qualified immunity as a defense to liability in a private civil action against a law enforcement officer, and
  • grants administrative subpoena power to the Department of Justice (DOJ) in pattern-or-practice investigations.

It establishes a framework to prevent and remedy racial profiling by law enforcement at the federal, state, and local levels. It also limits the unnecessary use of force and restricts the use of no-knock warrants, chokeholds, and carotid holds.

The bill creates a national registry—the National Police Misconduct Registry—to compile data on complaints and records of police misconduct. It also establishes new reporting requirements, including on the use of force, officer misconduct, and routine policing practices (e.g., stops and searches).

Finally, it directs DOJ to create uniform accreditation standards for law enforcement agencies and requires law enforcement officers to complete training on racial profiling, implicit bias, and the duty to intervene when another officer uses excessive force.

"Yes or they acknowledge it but refuse to do anything about it"

I'm reading there was attempts by Republicans to 'do something about it' but Democrats didn't like it so those efforts also died...

"The bill never advanced in 2020, due to opposition by Republicans, who then controlled the Senate. Republican senators led by Tim Scott proposed alternative police legislation that was far narrower than the House bill favored by Democrats...the Senate Republican proposal failed in a procedural vote of 55–45, on a mostly-party line vote"

The Tim Scott proposal doesn’t sound like a good faith compromise, especially in regards to black people being disproportionately targeted, here is the summary:

This bill addresses policies and issues regarding policing practices and law enforcement accountability. The bill funds state and local grants, incentivizes state and local reporting on the use of certain policing practices, creates new federal offenses for certain misconduct, establishes a commission to study the conditions affecting Black men and boys, and establishes best practices and training requirements.

The Democrat House bill mentions ways to “prevent and remedy racial profiling by law enforcement” while the Republican Senate bill will “establish a commission to study the conditions affecting black men and boys”

To me that sounds like shifting the blame from the people doing the racial profiling to the people who are being racially profiled.

The merits of the bill is beside the point. zorg1000 said Republicans "refuse to do anything about it" when at the time, Republicans actually did try to pass something and Democrats voted against those efforts. That's not a refusal to do anything about it, that's a failure for both parties to agree on a course of action.



KLAMarine said:
badskywalker said:

Probably because any actual change was completely removed from the republican bill. The only positive the republican bill had was it encouraged the use of body cam footage, though we've already seen how often those are just 'accidently' turned off when something happens.

The republican bill removed any additional limitations to qualified immunity, one of the major sticking points of the bill. It also removed restrictions on chockeholds and no-knock warrants. The bill went from banning cops from these things to just saying, please do your best not to do these things, but there is no change in the consequences if you do these things.

zorg1000 said:

The Tim Scott proposal doesn’t sound like a good faith compromise, especially in regards to black people being disproportionately targeted, here is the summary:

This bill addresses policies and issues regarding policing practices and law enforcement accountability. The bill funds state and local grants, incentivizes state and local reporting on the use of certain policing practices, creates new federal offenses for certain misconduct, establishes a commission to study the conditions affecting Black men and boys, and establishes best practices and training requirements.

The Democrat House bill mentions ways to “prevent and remedy racial profiling by law enforcement” while the Republican Senate bill will “establish a commission to study the conditions affecting black men and boys”

To me that sounds like shifting the blame from the people doing the racial profiling to the people who are being racially profiled.

The merits of the bill is beside the point. zorg1000 said Republicans "refuse to do anything about it" when at the time, Republicans actually did try to pass something and Democrats voted against those efforts. That's not a refusal to do anything about it, that's a failure for both parties to agree on a course of action.

I assume the merits of the bill are exactly the point. If the Republicans named a bill "dealing with law enforcement's disproportionately targeting black men" and the text of the bill was just a thin blue line flag with the text "eat it" I think it's fair to say that they "refuse to do anything about it". 



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KLAMarine said:
badskywalker said:

Probably because any actual change was completely removed from the republican bill. The only positive the republican bill had was it encouraged the use of body cam footage, though we've already seen how often those are just 'accidently' turned off when something happens.

The republican bill removed any additional limitations to qualified immunity, one of the major sticking points of the bill. It also removed restrictions on chockeholds and no-knock warrants. The bill went from banning cops from these things to just saying, please do your best not to do these things, but there is no change in the consequences if you do these things.

zorg1000 said:

The Tim Scott proposal doesn’t sound like a good faith compromise, especially in regards to black people being disproportionately targeted, here is the summary:

This bill addresses policies and issues regarding policing practices and law enforcement accountability. The bill funds state and local grants, incentivizes state and local reporting on the use of certain policing practices, creates new federal offenses for certain misconduct, establishes a commission to study the conditions affecting Black men and boys, and establishes best practices and training requirements.

The Democrat House bill mentions ways to “prevent and remedy racial profiling by law enforcement” while the Republican Senate bill will “establish a commission to study the conditions affecting black men and boys”

To me that sounds like shifting the blame from the people doing the racial profiling to the people who are being racially profiled.

The merits of the bill is beside the point. zorg1000 said Republicans "refuse to do anything about it" when at the time, Republicans actually did try to pass something and Democrats voted against those efforts. That's not a refusal to do anything about it, that's a failure for both parties to agree on a course of action.

Are you fucking serious? The merits of the bill is beside the point?

Voting against a bill that addresses an issue then turning around and proposing an alternative that does nothing to fix that issue=refusing to do anything about it. “A commission to study conditions affecting black men” is the most useless proposal to addressing police violence against black men.

The middle ground between “do something good” and “do nothing” is not “do something pointless”.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

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Torillian said:
KLAMarine said:

zorg1000 said:

The Tim Scott proposal doesn’t sound like a good faith compromise, especially in regards to black people being disproportionately targeted, here is the summary:

This bill addresses policies and issues regarding policing practices and law enforcement accountability. The bill funds state and local grants, incentivizes state and local reporting on the use of certain policing practices, creates new federal offenses for certain misconduct, establishes a commission to study the conditions affecting Black men and boys, and establishes best practices and training requirements.

The Democrat House bill mentions ways to “prevent and remedy racial profiling by law enforcement” while the Republican Senate bill will “establish a commission to study the conditions affecting black men and boys”

To me that sounds like shifting the blame from the people doing the racial profiling to the people who are being racially profiled.

The merits of the bill is beside the point. zorg1000 said Republicans "refuse to do anything about it" when at the time, Republicans actually did try to pass something and Democrats voted against those efforts. That's not a refusal to do anything about it, that's a failure for both parties to agree on a course of action.

I assume the merits of the bill are exactly the point. If the Republicans named a bill "dealing with law enforcement's disproportionately targeting black men" and the text of the bill was just a thin blue line flag with the text "eat it" I think it's fair to say that they "refuse to do anything about it". 

But that's not what happened, was it?

zorg1000 said:
KLAMarine said:

zorg1000 said:

The Tim Scott proposal doesn’t sound like a good faith compromise, especially in regards to black people being disproportionately targeted, here is the summary:

This bill addresses policies and issues regarding policing practices and law enforcement accountability. The bill funds state and local grants, incentivizes state and local reporting on the use of certain policing practices, creates new federal offenses for certain misconduct, establishes a commission to study the conditions affecting Black men and boys, and establishes best practices and training requirements.

The Democrat House bill mentions ways to “prevent and remedy racial profiling by law enforcement” while the Republican Senate bill will “establish a commission to study the conditions affecting black men and boys”

To me that sounds like shifting the blame from the people doing the racial profiling to the people who are being racially profiled.

The merits of the bill is beside the point. zorg1000 said Republicans "refuse to do anything about it" when at the time, Republicans actually did try to pass something and Democrats voted against those efforts. That's not a refusal to do anything about it, that's a failure for both parties to agree on a course of action.

Are you fucking serious? The merits of the bill is beside the point?

Voting against a bill that addresses an issue then turning around and proposing an alternative that does nothing to fix that issue=refusing to do anything about it. “A commission to study conditions affecting black men” is the most useless proposal to addressing police violence against black men.

The middle ground between “do something good” and “do nothing” is not “do something pointless”.

I don't think it's useless. I think it's a social issue definitely warranting further study.



Torillian said:
KLAMarine said:

zorg1000 said:

The Tim Scott proposal doesn’t sound like a good faith compromise, especially in regards to black people being disproportionately targeted, here is the summary:

This bill addresses policies and issues regarding policing practices and law enforcement accountability. The bill funds state and local grants, incentivizes state and local reporting on the use of certain policing practices, creates new federal offenses for certain misconduct, establishes a commission to study the conditions affecting Black men and boys, and establishes best practices and training requirements.

The Democrat House bill mentions ways to “prevent and remedy racial profiling by law enforcement” while the Republican Senate bill will “establish a commission to study the conditions affecting black men and boys”

To me that sounds like shifting the blame from the people doing the racial profiling to the people who are being racially profiled.

The merits of the bill is beside the point. zorg1000 said Republicans "refuse to do anything about it" when at the time, Republicans actually did try to pass something and Democrats voted against those efforts. That's not a refusal to do anything about it, that's a failure for both parties to agree on a course of action.

I assume the merits of the bill are exactly the point. If the Republicans named a bill "dealing with law enforcement's disproportionately targeting black men" and the text of the bill was just a thin blue line flag with the text "eat it" I think it's fair to say that they "refuse to do anything about it". 

Exactly, it’s one of the goofiest arguments I’ve heard. The whole discussion started with talking about how collaboration & compromise are important but introducing a shitty bill that makes no meaningful changes is neither of those things, it’s doing the bare minimum to pretend like you’re trying.

If I go to my boss and complain about how my department is overworked & understaffed and their response is to have a pizza party to boost morale, that’s the equivalent of doing nothing because it doesn’t address the issue at hand.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

KLAMarine said:

zorg1000 said:

Are you fucking serious? The merits of the bill is beside the point?

Voting against a bill that addresses an issue then turning around and proposing an alternative that does nothing to fix that issue=refusing to do anything about it. “A commission to study conditions affecting black men” is the most useless proposal to addressing police violence against black men.

The middle ground between “do something good” and “do nothing” is not “do something pointless”.

I don't think it's useless. I think it's a social issue definitely warranting further study.

In and of itself maybe it’s useful but not in the context we’re talking about which is collaborating and compromising on how to reduce police violence against racial minorities.

Again, doing something that doesn’t address an issue is the equivalent of doing nothing to address an issue.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

zorg1000 said:
KLAMarine said:
zorg1000 said:

Are you fucking serious? The merits of the bill is beside the point?

Voting against a bill that addresses an issue then turning around and proposing an alternative that does nothing to fix that issue=refusing to do anything about it. “A commission to study conditions affecting black men” is the most useless proposal to addressing police violence against black men.

The middle ground between “do something good” and “do nothing” is not “do something pointless”.

I don't think it's useless. I think it's a social issue definitely warranting further study.

In and of itself maybe it’s useful but not in the context we’re talking about which is collaborating and compromising on how to reduce police violence against racial minorities.

Again, doing something that doesn’t address an issue is the equivalent of doing nothing to address an issue.

And thorough study so we know how to proceed on an issue is important lest we end up doing more harm than good...



KLAMarine said:
zorg1000 said:

In and of itself maybe it’s useful but not in the context we’re talking about which is collaborating and compromising on how to reduce police violence against racial minorities.

Again, doing something that doesn’t address an issue is the equivalent of doing nothing to address an issue.

And thorough study so we know how to proceed on an issue is important lest we end up doing more harm than good...

I don’t really even know how to respond at this point, it’s like you’re just arguing to argue.

Me: Collaboration & compromise are important but how do black people unite with the people who refuse to acknowledge they are disproportionately targeted my police

You: Republicans refuse to acknowledge it?

Me: yes, refuse to acknowledge or do nothing about it. Democrats introduced a bill that got essentially no Republican support.

You: Republicans introduced their own bill

Me & others: the bill was terrible and took out almost every meaningful aspect of the democrat bill

you: it doesn’t matter if the bill sucked, they did something

It’s clear to anyone who pays attention to this type of stuff that Democrats wanted to fix the issue and Republicans had no intention of doing anything about it. Republicans released a counter proposal that they knew would get no support from Democrats and knowing that most people don’t pay attention to the details of bills, this was good enough to show that they “tried to do something”.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.