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Goal of Israeli raids is to ‘seize more land’

Leila Warah, a journalist reporting from the city of Ramallah, says the situation in the occupied West Bank is dire with Israeli raids taking place not just in the north but all over the territory.

“Ultimately, when we’re looking at this and what the goal is, political analysts are saying Israel is trying to seize more land, which is leading to people feeling very fearful,” she told Al Jazeera.

“It is clear that things are escalating. Israeli politicians have been speaking about the West Bank being a second battleground after Gaza and again coming back to the point of them wanting to seize more land,” she said. “And this is a great opportunity for them to do that and to use collective punishment policies to scare Palestinians into submission.”


Israelis see Biden as ‘lame duck’, await Trump’s return to power: Professor

US President Joe Biden’s “toothless” pressure to convince Netanyahu to accept his ceasefire proposal isn’t working partly because the Israeli government is hoping US presidential candidate Donald Trump will soon come to power, according to Hassan Barari.

Biden is seen by “Netanyahu and his cronies as a lame duck”, Barari, a professor at Qatar University, told Al Jazeera.

“One of the objectives of Netanyahu is to see Trump assuming power in the White House because he thinks that with Trump, he can do business.”

Among Netanyahu’s goals for Trump’s term is a strategy to liquidate the Palestinian cause as much as possible, the analyst said. The raids in the West Bank are part of this. “I think [the raids are] massive in terms of the scope … and intensity,” Barari said.

“The Israelis have a broader vision of annexing as much of the West Bank as possible.”



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Israeli military continues assault on several cities in West Bank

The Israeli army is pressing on with raids across several cities in the occupied West Bank. Bulldozers have stormed Tulkarem and the Jenin refugee camp, leaving a trail of destruction. Soldiers also detained citizens in Jalazone camp, north of Ramallah.


Israeli army preventing food, water reaching besieged areas: Governor of Jenin

Kamal Abu al-Rub says the Israeli army is preventing water and food from getting to families trapped in certain besieged areas of the northern West Bank city of Jenin and its refugee camp and families have been forced to leave their homes.

“Around 700 to 1,000 families, 4,000 to 5,000 residents, from the eastern neighbourhood and the Jenin refugee camp were forced to leave their homes at gunpoint [by the Israeli army],” Abu al-Rub said.

Hundreds of Israeli soldiers have been carrying out raids across the West Bank since August 28 in one of their largest military incursions in the area in years.

The operation, now in its sixth day, has caused heavy damage to infrastructure in the city and the adjacent refugee camp with multiple damaged buildings and a mass of streets torn up by armoured bulldozers.


In August, Israeli air strikes in West Bank increased sharply: UN

For over a week, Israeli forces have been using lethal, war-like tactics across the northern West Bank, deepening people’s humanitarian needs and raising concerns over excessive use of force, the United Nations has said.

Between August 27 and September 2, Israeli forces killed 30 Palestinians in the West Bank, including seven children, marking the highest weekly death toll since November 2023.

“Ten of the Palestinian fatalities were hit by air strikes. In August, Israeli air strikes increased sharply, killing 41 Palestinians, representing 44 percent of the total fatalities (95) from air strikes in the West Bank in 2024,” the UN agency OCHA said.



UK’s Starmer defends Israel arms suspension as ‘legal decision’

UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer has defended his government’s partial suspension of arms exports to Israel over fears they could be used in a breach of humanitarian law as “a legal decision”.

Starmer said that Monday’s announcement to suspend 30 of 350 arms exports licences did not signify a change in UK support for Israel’s right to self-defence. The partial ban covers items that could be used in the current Israeli war in Gaza including fighter aircraft, helicopters and drones but not parts for advanced F-35 stealth fighter jets.

“This is a difficult issue, I recognise that, but it’s a legal decision, not a policy decision,” Starmer told lawmakers during the weekly Prime Minister’s Questions session in Parliament.

He said the decision was taken following a review by the foreign ministry into Israel’s conduct of its war in the Gaza Strip. “We will of course stand by Israel’s right to self-defence, but it’s important that we are committed to the international rule of law,” Starmer said.

Committed to international rule of law??? What are you smoking Starmer. You're defending apartheid and genocide by Israel at the ICJ, blocking the ICC arrest warrants, ignoring the UNSC resolutions, ignoring the ICJ ruling on occupation and apartheid in the West Bank. In what fantasy land are you committed to the international rule of law. The UK has actively been assisting the genocide in Gaza with surveillance flights and intel, if not for weapons.


Family of British aid worker killed in Gaza calls for independent probe

The family of a British aid worker killed by an Israeli strike in Gaza in April has called for an independent investigation into his killing. James Kirby, from Bristol in southwest England, was one of seven people killed in a strike on a World Central Kitchen food convoy.

Former serviceman Kirby and two other Britons killed were part of the security team accompanying aid workers employed by the US-based charity.

Speaking on behalf of his family ahead of a memorial service for Kirby, his cousin Louise Kirby called for a “proper, independent inquiry into this attack on innocent aid workers”.

“Whilst we have had much support, we are still struggling to find answers and accountability for what happened,” she said in a statement.

Kirby said the family was “surprised” that they had not had any contact from Israel’s ambassador to the UK or any Israeli official. “Any family of a loved one who has been killed needs closure. We need to understand how this disaster could have happened,” she said.

“This is not just about us. This is about how Britain looks after its own citizens and their families, when a British citizen has been unlawfully killed by another state.”



Erdogan says ending war in Gaza a top priority

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan says his country and Egypt share the same position on Palestine.

“We are doing all that we can to bring the bloodshed to an end and to continue to deliver the humanitarian aid into Gaza,” he said in Ankara, speaking next to his Egyptian counterpart, Abdel Fattah el-Sisi.

“This remains on the top of our priorities today.”

The Turkish president has said that in addition to dropping thousands of tonnes of bombs on civilians, Israel has continued to exercise a “policy of starvation” in Gaza.

“Each and every Palestinian citizen or child who dies of starvation remains the responsibility of Israel, and those backing Israel,” Recep Tayyip Erdogan said.

He said that some states continue to provide “unconditional support to Israel”, adding that Israel must be “prevented” from “plunging the whole region into war”.

“In this fashion, they are accessories to Israel’s crimes,” Erdogan said. “They are accomplices to their crimes in the massacres and pogroms perpetrated against the civilian population of Gaza.”


Egypt’s el-Sisi calls for ‘immediate’ ceasefire in Gaza

Speaking next to his Turkish counterpart, President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi described the situation in Gaza as an “unprecedented catastrophe”.

“I reiterate the joint stand of Egypt and Turkey calling for an immediate ceasefire, rejecting further escalation by Israel in the occupied West Bank, and taking tangible measures to live up to the aspiration of the Palestinian people for the establishment of an independent state based on 1967 borders with [occupied] East Jerusalem as its capital,” he said.



Majority of Israelis support leaving Philadelphi Corridor to secure captive deal

A poll reported on by Israeli public broadcaster Kan finds that 53 percent of people surveyed support leaving the Philadelphi Corridor if it means reaching a deal with Hamas to release the remaining Israeli captives held in the Gaza Strip.

The presence of Israeli forces in the narrow strip of land that runs along Gaza’s southern border with Egypt has become a major sticking point in negotiations for a ceasefire in the Strip and an exchange of Palestinian prisoners and Israeli captives.

Netanyahu has repeatedly refused to leave the area, even though Hamas said a previous version of a ceasefire deal, which included the withdrawal of Israeli troops from the corridor, was already agreed to by Israeli officials.


Netanyahu again refuses to leave Philadelphi Corridor

Israel will not withdraw its soldiers from the border area between southern Gaza and Egypt until there is a guarantee that it can never be used by Hamas, Netanyahu tells a news conference in Jerusalem.

“Until that happens, we’re there,” he said.

This is Netanyahu’s latest refusal to withdraw Israeli forces from the Philadelphi Corridor, an issue that has become a major roadblock to achieving a ceasefire in Gaza.

Hamas is demanding the total withdrawal of Israeli soldiers from the Strip.



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Protests in central Tel Aviv persist into fourth consecutive night

Protests in the Israeli coastal city have persisted into a fourth consecutive night, as demonstrators insisted on Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu negotiating a ceasefire agreement that would secure the safe return of the remaining 101 captives.





Lebanon health ministry says woman dead in Israeli strikes

Lebanon’s health ministry has said Israeli strikes killed a woman and wounded five other people in the country’s south.

Israel and Lebanon’s Hezbollah have exchanged near-daily cross-border fire since October 7.

“Israeli enemy artillery fire targeting the locality of Qabrikha killed a woman and wounded two other people, including a 12-year-old,” the ministry said in a statement.

Three other people were wounded in an Israeli strike targeting the border locality of Hula, the ministry said.

Hezbollah says it attacks Israeli positions in occupied Syrian Golan Heights

The Lebanese group says it has carried out an attack on the Israeli army with a volley of Katyusha rockets in retaliation for Israeli attacks on villages in southern Lebanon.

The rockets were launched towards Israeli artillery positions in al-Zaoura in the occupied Syrian Golan Heights, it said.

The attack was also carried out “in support of our steadfast Palestinian people in the Gaza Strip and in support of their valiant and honorable resistance”, according to a Hezbollah statement.

Hezbollah and Israel have been engaging in tit-for-tat attacks along Lebanon’s southern border since the start of the war in Gaza in October.

Israel carries out more strikes on southern Lebanon

Lebanese media, as well as video posted on social media that Al Jazeera has verified, are showing Israeli warplanes hitting towns across the south of the country.

The country’s state-run National News Agency reported that Israeli aircraft carried out a series of strikes targeting the outskirts of several villages: Majdal Zoun, al-Jebbayn, Wadi Hassan, Wadi Zebqin and al-Aziyah.

These are areas near the major southern city of Tyre.

On X, Israel said its fighter jets “attacked more than 10 military infrastructures and launchers” belonging to Lebanon’s Hezbollah in the areas mentioned above, claiming they were a threat to the country.

Translation: A series of air strikes targeted the vicinity of the [Litani River] channel towards the towns of Dersarian and Zawtar.



imagine if Joe Biden was in the forum using an alt. Just casually posting about how HAMAS needs to be exterminated or smth.



firebush03 said:

imagine if Joe Biden was in the forum using an alt. Just casually posting about how HAMAS needs to be exterminated or smth.

Ha, he doesn't need to. This forum is too small for Hasbara commenters, yet most of those you tube videos I post are full of them. They usually get buried under upvoted genuine comments, yet right after a video launches you see a whole bunch of them.

Anyway the US is all about Hamas needs to be exterminated. Already designated Hamas as a terrorist organization since 1995.

https://www.voanews.com/a/explainer-how-hamas-ended-up-on-us-list-of-terrorist-groups/7478227.html

“The simple, most basic definition is targeting civilians for the purpose of effecting social or political change”

Ironically that describes Israel's behavior to a T. All their policies are about collective punishment, targeting civilians. With the goal of never having a Palestinian state and annexing the West Bank and Gaza.

Actually that definition describes sanctions as well...

US is king of sanctions, just no (real) sanctions against Israel. (bar 3 individual settlers which means nothing)


And Biden is the king of issuing more sanctions

https://www.gibsondunn.com/2023-year-end-sanctions-and-export-controls-update/




Biden has been defeated by Netanyahu. I do believe he feels crushed about the ongoing genocide and being known as genocide Joe. He definitely was/is very emotional about the WCK workers getting killed and now Hersh Goldberg-Polin. Yet even though he has aired his grievances against Netanyahu many times, he doesn't seem to be able to do anything. His hands are tied.

It's the majority of the democratic party which is the problem. They're all right behind Israel, including Harris.
Sadly Republicans are no different.