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Trump’s 20-point plan raises many questions

I think most people, publicly, are welcoming this plan because this is coming from President Trump and because it comes after the high-level week here and meetings with Arab and Muslim leaders. But I think there are lots and lots of questions.

Netanyahu has welcomed this, but does he really believe in it? He has, for some time, not been prepared to end the war or allow aid in.

Will Hamas accept this? Even if they do, there are all sorts of things to happen for this to succeed.

You have the release the captives and the Palestinian prisoners. Then you’ve got to try and form this international force. We have the Indonesians, but which other countries will come forward?

Then you have the board of governance, the role of Tony Blair.

And then what happens long term, and the sovereignty of the Palestinians?

The plan says there should be a credible pathway to Palestinian statehood, but that’s something Netanyahu has fought against his entire political career.

So I think it could bring short-term benefit for the people of Gaza, but with many questions about how this will all happen and potential hurdles on the way.


Trump envoy implores Hamas leader to accept deal where ‘everyone wins’

Adam Boehler, the US presidential envoy for captive affairs, has asked Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal to accept the 20-point plan put forward by Trump, describing it as a deal where “everyone wins”.

“I want him to listen and hear that he was just offered something by two world leaders, two of the greatest world leaders… and Khaled has an opportunity to be great himself, and I believe that he will take it,” Boehler said, addressing Meshaal.

Boehler, who says he witnessed “negotiations back and forth with Hamas”, also described the plan as providing “everything that the Palestinians need, that people in Gaza need”.

The people in Gaza need freedom and self governance, that's not part of the plan...



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UK Labour Party members vote to recognise Gaza genocide at conference

Members of the UK’s Labour Party have voted to recognise that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza, in a move that increases pressure on the UK government to adopt the same position.

Delegates at Labour’s conference approved an emergency motion backing the findings of the UN Commission of Inquiry, which earlier this month concluded that Israel “has committed genocide”. The vote was strongly supported by trade unions.

The decision contrasts with Labour leader and UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer as well as senior ministers, who have argued that the question of genocide should be determined by international courts rather than politicians.


Trump peace plan leaves room for ‘interpretation’ and ‘manipulation’

Omar Rahman, a fellow at the Middle East Council on Global Affairs, says that Trump’s peace plan is an agreement that leaves Israel and Hamas equally dissatisfied, but that several issues can be negotiated in its implementation phase.

“There are a number of good and bad elements to it,” Rahman told Al Jazeera. “It is also vague enough for wide interpretation and even manipulation over its implementation phase, and there is a lot that needs to be negotiated.”

Despite its flaws, the peace plan offers a lifeline to Palestinians as they are being “slaughtered”, Rahman said.

“Everything that can bring an end to this bloodshed and allow the entry of aid is good,” he added. “There is very little alternative for Palestinians, as Israel has been carrying out a genocide for the past two years, and nobody is stopping it.”

Yeah conveniently the talk about stopping the genocide has moved to the background again. The perpetrators, Netanyahu and Trump are just making a plan to basically get away with genocide...



Main events on September 29th

  • US President Donald Trump unveiled a 20-point plan to end the war in Gaza, saying that if Hamas does not accept it, he will give full support to Israel to do “what it has to do”.
  • Diplomatic sources told Al Jazeera that Hamas’s negotiating team is reviewing the proposal.
  • The plan has been welcomed by several Western nations, including France and Italy, as well as Arab and Muslim countries, such as Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Pakistan.
  • The leader of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad has said he considered the US proposal to be a “recipe to blow up the region”.
  • Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu apologised to Qatar’s prime minister for the death of a Qatari in the Israeli attack on Doha earlier this month.
  • As talks were ongoing in Washington, Israel’s attacks continued in Gaza, where at least 39 people were killed.
  • An Israeli drone strike on southern Lebanon killed one person.

 





People in Gaza focused on survival as negotiations to end war continue

The new proposed US plan to end the war in Gaza has been delivered by US President Donald Trump, after a meeting with the Israeli prime minister.

It calls for a full demilitarisation of Hamas and its full removal from governance, which might be seen by the group as surrender.

Palestinians on the ground believe that this plan, if it’s going to be approved, will be some sort of foreign control over Gaza, with the deployment of a foreign stabilisation force that sounds logistically and politically difficult, especially in a war zone.

People believe that this plan aims to completely reshape Gaza’s governance, economy and security. But it is still unclear to what extent Hamas will agree on this proposal, and to what extent Israel will commit to its terms.

For now, people are focusing on survival in light of the current discussions taking place in multiple regional metropolises. People on the ground are still experiencing hell on earth, while bombardment continues to unfold on an hourly basis.


UK PM welcomes Trump’s plan for Gaza

UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer has joined other leaders in welcoming US President Donald Trump’s plan to end Israel’s war on Gaza.

“We call on all sides to come together and to work with the US Administration to finalise this agreement and bring it into reality,” Starmer said in a statement.

“Hamas should now agree to the plan and end the misery, by laying down their arms and releasing all remaining hostages,” he said.

Yeah welcome to be able to push the genocide under the rug again. Stop calling it a 'war', it's a genocide. Now dangling the 'carrot' of slowing down the genocide and going back to full occupation of Gaza.



Even if Israel would actually commit to all of it, the situation will only be back at Oct 6th, yet now with more settlers and more land annexed in the West Bank while Gaza is being controlled by a Zionist approved 'government' like the PA is/was for the West Bank, and permanently disconnected from Egypt, not even having their own border anymore.



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Trump envoy Witkoff hails Gaza plan as having ‘widespread support’

Trump’s special envoy Steve Witkoff has told Fox News that he is both “very optimistic” and “hopeful” about the new proposal put forward by Trump to end the Gaza war, even if there are “some details to work out”.

“A new government is going to come in, and that will be, in large part, Palestinians, governing Palestinians,” Witkoff said, adding that the “new government” will have a “lot to do”, including getting “a security force in there”.

Witkoff said that he had just come from discussions with a country that may be involved in providing security forces, but also added, “I think you can’t withdraw altogether until you get the security forces in there.”

The US negotiator also said that he had been “working all weekend” on the proposal alongside Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, and US Secretary of State Marco Rubio.

Witkoff said he thought that the “initial reaction” from Hamas sounded “positive… for a group that hasn’t really had time to study our plan”, and that the proposal already has “widespread support from all of the Gulf Coast Arab countries… and the Europeans”.


All the support from former colonial powers and corrupt gulf coast Arab states that want to go back to the status quo and get the genocide out of the news cycle.

There is nothing in the plan addressing the borders of a Palestinian state, its sovereignty nor self governance. Only reforms under 'international' oversight while changing one letter in IDF to ISF to give the occupation 'international' support.

As long as reforms in Israel are not on the table, nothing can change. Trump and Blair leading the so called 'peace board' and ISF is merely an extension of Zionist occupation. 

This is why the genocide conventions were adopted. Enslaving a population through starvation, making ending the starvation seem like a peace deal. It's colonialism 101.



Five unanswered questions about Trump’s Gaza plan

The United States president’s 20-point ceasefire proposal in Gaza includes many ambiguous provisions that could be decisive for the future of Palestine and the region.

Ambiguous on purpose no doubt.

How will Gaza be governed?

The proposal envisions a “temporary transitional governance of a technocratic, apolitical Palestinian committee” that would oversee the territory’s affairs. But it does not detail how the panel will be formed or who will select its members.

Moreover, the plan says that Trump and Toni Blair, the United Kingdom’s former prime minister, would lead a “board of peace” that would supervise the governing committee. But the roadmap does not explain the nature of the relationship between this board and the Palestinian committee, or at what level the day-to-day decisions would be made.

Will the Palestinian Authority be involved?

Trump’s plan says that the transitional authorities would take control of Gaza until “such time as the Palestinian Authority (PA) has completed its reform” programme and “can securely and effectively take back control of Gaza”. Yet, it remains unclear who would certify that the PA is ready to take over Gaza or what benchmarks must be met for the PA to handle the governance of the territory.

There are no timetables, just a vague pronouncement. The proposal’s language additionally treats Gaza as an independent entity, not one that is part of Palestine, that must be unified with the rest of occupied Palestinian territory.

Netanyahu, meanwhile, who said he agreed to the proposal, has all but ruled out a return of the PA to Gaza. “Gaza will be administered neither by Hamas, nor by the Palestinian Authority,” the Israeli prime minister said, standing alongside Trump.


How will the international force be formed?

The plan says that Gaza would be secured by “a temporary International Stabilisation Force”, but where would it come from, and what would its mandate be? It is not clear what countries are willing to send troops to Gaza, or which ones would be acceptable under the plan.

The proposal also does not spell out the responsibilities and rules of engagement of the would-be peacekeepers. Would they act as an army, police force, or observer force? Would they be tasked with taking on Hamas? Would they be able to fight Israeli troops to protect Palestinians?


When will Israel withdraw?

The proposal says that Israel would withdraw from Gaza “based on standards, milestones, and timeframes linked to demilitarisation”. Again, the provision does not set a schedule for the Israeli withdrawal or clear standards for how and when it would happen.

Moreover, it says that Israel would hold onto a “security perimeter” in Gaza until the territory “is properly secure from any resurgent terror threat”. But there is no word on who would ultimately decide when these conditions are met.

 
Is Palestinian statehood on the cards?

During his news conference on Monday, Trump said that several allies had “foolishly recognised the Palestinian state… but they’re really, I think, doing that because they’re very tired of what’s going on”.

The proposal makes a reference to the prospect of Palestinian statehood behind a thick wall of cloudiness, conditions and qualifiers.

“While Gaza re-development advances and when the PA reform programme is faithfully carried out, the conditions may finally be in place for a credible pathway to Palestinian self-determination and statehood, which we recognise as the aspiration of the Palestinian people,” it says.

So, Gaza development and PA “reforms” are set as conditions. And even then, discussions for a Palestinian state “may” be in place. It is not guaranteed. Moreover, the proposal does not recognise the right to Palestinian statehood. Rather, it acknowledges statehood as something that Palestinians are seeking.

Like the other provisions, this one is also shrouded in vagueness and ambiguity.

This 'peace' plan is nothing but an attempt to legitimize the occupation, pacify the Arab states with business deals and give Europe a way out of their obligations under the Geneva conventions.

The only thing concrete in the plan is that the remaining hostages have to be released within 72 hours.



Germany says it is ready to provide ‘concrete’ support to Trump’s Gaza plan

Germany’s Foreign Minister Johann Wadephul has described Trump’s plan as “a unique opportunity” to end the “terrible war” in Gaza.

The plan “offers hope for hundreds of thousands who are suffering in Gaza, from fierce fighting, from gruesome hostage detention and from unimaginable humanitarian distress”, the foreign minister said.

Wadephul also implored Hamas to accept the proposal, saying, “This opportunity must not be squandered. Hamas must take it. All those who can influence Hamas, I urge you to do so now.”

He also said his government “stands ready to support the plan in concrete terms”, without providing further details.

It's not a war, it's a genocide. 

Hamas might as well initially agree to get the hostages out. They're not helping Hamas anyway and they've been trying to release them since November 2023.

It would take the hostage argument off the table, get some aid into Gaza and then it will surely collapse as Hames and other resistance groups are not going to lay down their arms while the occupation goes on, plus Israel is not going to end the ethnocide regardless of disarmament. 

But I doubt it will even get as far as a full hostage release :/



Back to reality:

Germany must align with EU members in support of sanctions on Israel: HRW

Human Rights Watch (HRW) has called out Germany for not doing enough to support European Union sanctions aimed at halting Israel’s escalating “extermination campaign in Gaza”.

“Aside from halting new export licences for ‘weapons that can be used in Gaza’,” HRW described as a failure Germany’s claim that “only bilateral diplomacy” is enough to pressure Israel to stop its atrocities .

“Germany has long presented itself as a defender of the international rules-based order, backing accountability for atrocity crimes in Ukraine, Syria, Afghanistan, Myanmar, and elsewhere. This reputation is now in question,” HRW said.

Now, the New York-based group said, Germany faces a “stark” choice: Align with most of its EU partners who want to impose sanctions on Israel and Israeli politicians, “or continue obstructing EU action, risking further isolation and reputational damage”.

Germany may also, if it continues to provide significant assistance to Israel, find itself complicit “in Israel’s atrocities in Gaza”, the rights group said.



UK’s Corbyn says ex-PM Tony Blair ‘shouldn’t be anywhere near the Middle East’

Former UK Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn has criticised the plan to include ex-Prime Minister Tony Blair in Gaza’s future. “Tony Blair’s catastrophic decision to invade Iraq cost thousands upon thousands of lives,” Corbyn said on social media.

“He shouldn’t be anywhere near the Middle East, let alone Gaza,” he said. “It is not up to Blair, Trump or Netanyahu to decide the future of Gaza. That is up to the people of Palestine,” he added.




The 'peace plan' is making clear again who the Zionist's puppets are

More European leaders welcome proposed Gaza peace plan

Dutch Prime Minister Dick Schoof has said that the “important news from Washington” on Monday, “hopefully”, means that an end to the war in Gaza is “truly in reach”.

The prime minister said the proposal must be “a serious step towards … the two-state solution”, adding there could be no role for Hamas in that future.


European Council President Antonio Costa also welcomed Trump’s plan, saying he was “encouraged” by Netanyahu’s “positive response”. “All parties must seize this moment to give peace a genuine chance. The situation in Gaza is intolerable,” Costa wrote in a post on X.




UN housing expert raises concerns about ‘land grabs’ in Trump’s Gaza plan

Balakrishnan Rajagopal, the UN special rapporteur on the right to housing, has raised concerns about details included in Trump’s plan, including a proposed “permanent buffer zone”.

“This so-called ‘peace plan’ by Trump and Netanyahu is abominable on so many levels,” Rajagopal said in a post on social media.

“Among the worst: a ‘transitional authority’ headed by the war criminal Tony Blair [and] land grabs through a permanent buffer zone.”

“Palestinians must drive this process!” Rajagopal said.

A map of the Gaza Strip shared by a White House social media account shows a plan for the Israeli military to withdraw in stages, but maintain a “security buffer zone” inside Palestinian territory after a third withdrawal.

The Chilcot report into the UK’s role in the Iraq war found that Blair had committed to war before peaceful options had been exhausted, and that the legality of his case for war against Iraq was questionable.

Trump’s Gaza proposal contains ‘poison pill’ of continued occupation of Gaza territory

Omar Baddar, a Palestinian-American political analyst based in Washington, DC, said it was difficult to assess at this point the likely Hamas response to the proposed Trump plan for Gaza.

There are some good points in the plan, such as language excluding the possibility of annexation of Gaza and ethnic cleansing of its population by Israel.

However, there was still a “poison pill” in the proposed deal, “which basically says that Israel gets to indefinitely occupy a so-called security perimeter inside Gaza, with no timeline for withdrawal and, basically, Israel gets to decide on its own when it might feel like leaving, which might, in fact, never happen,” Baddar said.

“Palestinians are being asked, once again, to live as a captive population under complete and total Israeli control and domination, with no prospect for being a free people in their own country.

“And that is simply a recipe for long-term failure. It is difficult to imagine what incentive Hamas has to accept that in the short term, despite what I am sure is enormous diplomatic pressure against them”.

Potential Gaza ‘board of peace’ to include Iraq war ‘architect’ Tony Blair

“Certainly, Netanyahu’s coalition would not be happy with the prospect that Gaza is not going to be taken over. This is what his coalition has been talking about for a very long time,” Baddar told Al Jazeera.

“So, putting an end to those dreams is certainly going to be a tough sell,” Baddar said.

“I think that Netanyahu inserted language in there that ensures indefinite Israeli dominance of Gaza, because he knows that is going to make it very likely for Palestinians to actually reject that prospect,” he said.

“When you are looking at the elements of who could govern Gaza, we are having an entire conversation about a so-called ‘board of peace’, that is going to include people like Tony Blair and Donald Trump. Those are people with records that are frankly nothing short of criminal towards the region,” he said.

Former UK Prime Minister Tony Blair, who joined the US in its attack on the regime of Saddam Hussein, was an “architect of the invasion of Iraq and the lies that it was based on, and the lives that were destroyed as a result”, Baddar said.

And Trump has endorsed illegal Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank, Israel’s illegal takeover of the Syrian Golan Heights, and the granting of Palestine’s Jerusalem over to Israel – “just one atrocity after another”, he said.