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Original vs New design?

Original 27 45.00%
 
New 18 30.00%
 
Where is the PS6? 15 25.00%
 
Total:60
KLXVER said:
Pemalite said:

1) Emulation isn't illegal. - Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony use emulation to achieve backwards compatibility with titles.

2) Emulation isn't illegal downloads. - You can use emulators to emulate your games library. I.E. PCSX2, drop your PS2 game into your PC's optical drive and fire up the emulator and play directly from disk.

You still need the physical copy though, so thats not the kind of emulation thats being discussed here.

That -is- emulation. The exact same emulation.

Emulation is a piece of software that emulates another hardware environment... That never changes regardless of the "media" being input into the emulator and is 100% legal.

And if we are speaking roms, not all roms are illegal either. - Homebrew roms where games are made from scratch in an emulator environment are 100% legal.

Making "backup" copies of your media is also legal in some jurisdictions, so is "format shifting" in other countries (I.E. Mine.)

Again, Emulators aren't illegal, never were, never will be... Which was the original claim.




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Pemalite said:
KLXVER said:

You still need the physical copy though, so thats not the kind of emulation thats being discussed here.

That -is- emulation. The exact same emulation.

Emulation is a piece of software that emulates another hardware environment... That never changes regardless of the "media" being input into the emulator and is 100% legal.

And if we are speaking roms, not all roms are illegal either. - Homebrew roms where games are made from scratch in an emulator environment are 100% legal.

Making "backup" copies of your media is also legal in some jurisdictions, so is "format shifting" in other countries (I.E. Mine.)

Again, Emulators aren't illegal, never were, never will be... Which was the original claim.

We all know the guy who was claiming anyone with physical games is a hoarder was talking about illegal ROMs esp later listing off systems.



Bite my shiny metal cockpit!

Image comparison between original and new. (Granted its the new digital vs original disc but good enough comparision)

Images can be found here...

https://www.reddit.com/r/playstation/comments/175vpsj/ps5_slim_3d_model_and_ps5_fat_3d_model_size/?utm_source=embedv2&utm_medium=post_embed&utm_content=whitespace&embed_host_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.videogameschronicle.com%2Fnews%2Fps5-slim-size-comparison-image-mock-ups-have-been-created%2F

It looks a lot smaller than the initial image comparison that was shown at first. 



Leynos said:
Pemalite said:

That -is- emulation. The exact same emulation.

Emulation is a piece of software that emulates another hardware environment... That never changes regardless of the "media" being input into the emulator and is 100% legal.

And if we are speaking roms, not all roms are illegal either. - Homebrew roms where games are made from scratch in an emulator environment are 100% legal.

Making "backup" copies of your media is also legal in some jurisdictions, so is "format shifting" in other countries (I.E. Mine.)

Again, Emulators aren't illegal, never were, never will be... Which was the original claim.

We all know the guy who was claiming anyone with physical games is a hoarder was talking about illegal ROMs esp later listing off systems.

I'm more than happy to purchase access to games.  Like I have the Mario 3d collection on Switch.  But if you are asking what I do when it comes to something like vay?  No, I'm not hunting down a working genesis, working sega cd and copy of a rare game.  Especially since I had previously bought and owned the game.  

I also tried the whole collector thing.  At one point I had 15 consoles. Too many issues with wires, controllers, disk drive failures, cartridge batteries dying not too mention the space it takes up.  

Either way I'm glad we est the fact digital>physical 

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Someone did an AR of the new PS5 beside the original and beside the Xbox Series X.



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Can some Mod please remove this emulation crap from the thread? It has nothing to do here.

Back to the topic:
How is the 1TB ssd implemented? The original was tailored to the 12 channel controler. Lots of nand chips... How is it solved now?
The worst I can image they removed the internal 825GB chips entirely and simply put a standard M4 1TB drive into the "user slot".



drkohler said:

Can some Mod please remove this emulation crap from the thread? It has nothing to do here.

I think people are done with the emulation conversation. 

We don't really have a great way to remove posts/split them off into their own thread.

drkohler said:

Back to the topic:
How is the 1TB ssd implemented? The original was tailored to the 12 channel controler. Lots of nand chips... How is it solved now?
The worst I can image they removed the internal 825GB chips entirely and simply put a standard M4 1TB drive into the "user slot".

I've been very curious about this. I really doubt that they put something in the slot.

The original slideshow was 12 chips, I assume it was 12*64GiB = 768 GiB = 825 GB (technically 824.6).

Not exactly my area of expertise. I feel like the most likely thing would be that they may have swapped out the 12 channel chips for a more standard 8 channel that is faster, basically using a standard 1 TB drive.



Faster load times would be a reason to upgrade, yet that's more the implementation than the hardware. How can GT7 and Ratchet and Clank load so fast while BG3 takes two very long load times to get into the game. NMS the same, but I guess that generates a lot of stuff while 'loading'. That 5.5 GB/s throughput should fill the available memory in 3 seconds... Switchback on PSVR2 also had very long loading screens.



the-pi-guy said:

Not exactly my area of expertise. I feel like the most likely thing would be that they may have swapped out the 12 channel chips for a more standard 8 channel that is faster, basically using a standard 1 TB drive.

That's my easy guess, too, They simply use 8 double capacity nand chips instead of the 12 old ones and forget channels 9 to 12, in the hope noone asks...



V-r0cK said:

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Too bad this is comparing the new digital versus the old disk version, so the most positive case. That’s unfair.