for a year now there's been rumors of rockstar going ps3 exclusive for some games. maybe this is what he's hinting at.
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Well, even in context Dan Houser's words certainly don't paint a pretty picture.
From 1UP:
SH: I don't know what anybody's said on that stuff. I didn't say anything, and I stay out of it.... Both machines are absolutely fantastic, but they both come with strengths and weaknesses. The strength of the 360 is a very, very accessible, familiar, effective environment to work in. You're making the game from the get-go, everyone understands its PC environment -- boom, off we go. It's pretty good. One of the problems with the 360, and it affects games like Grand Theft Auto if you think about how much content we put in the actual machine, is the fact that they don't have a significantly larger storage medium than the previous systems. It's a slightly bigger DVD disc.
1UP: Plus, you're not guaranteed a hard drive in every system.
SH: That's a complicated one. I met with a bunch of the senior fellows from [Microsoft]. I said, that's kind of complicated.... The upshot of the technical challenges we've experienced on either the 360 or on the PS3 is [that] both companies stepped up to the plate and have supported us in a way that was beyond even my greedy expectations. They've been amazing. I think that the 360 is going to have to get 'round this issue we're talking about. I can think of various ways they can do it. Hopefully, they're going to adopt one of those in the next year or so, because it's going to become more of an issue. If we're filling up the disc right now, where are we going? It's not like our games are going to get any smaller. I think that issue's on the table with a bunch of games right now. I'm sure they'll come through with an intelligent solution.
Also, the entire game is installed on the ps3? Are you serious?
First, the ps3 simply does not have enough storage space to make full installs feasible. When data is installed on an HDD, it is decompressed, often fully (as decompressing on the fly would eat into CPU cycles, thus hindering game performance). As such, the 4gb of data installed on the ps3 would take up significantly less space on the actual disc than it does on the HDD, and any game of a reasonable size (5gbs and up on the disc) would significantly eat into the ps3's available storage space if they were fully installed.
Installs are common on the ps3 version of multiplats simply because the ps3's Blu-Ray drive has a slightly lower read speed compared to the 360's DVD player. As such, the installs are done to help decrease loading. However, on ps3 exclusives developers can just have all the textures, etc. uncompressed straight on the disc, and allow them to be streamed directly from the disc when needed, ala Uncharted (stunning textures, no install, no loading whatsoever).
Secondly, while a DVD-9 has 8.5gbs of available storage space (9.0 in a base-10 system), MS requires that a certain amount of space be partitioned off on a 360 disc for security reasons. Because of this, 360 discs only have around 6.8gbs of available space (7.2 in a base-10 system) for developers to use. The 360 version of GTAIV has already been pirated, and the ISO takes up 6.4gbs of space. That shows that 1. GTAIV is larger than 4gb, and 2. R* is in fact dangerously close to running out of space, as they themselves said.
Third, are we even sure the data takes up 4GB of space? I seem to recall a mock GTAIV review being the first to mention that number. R* said the install only takes 5 minutes, while DMC4's 5 GB install took 25 minutes.
Imagine GTA on a 50 GB Blu Ray , that's the future.
By Rockstar not making GTA V a PS3 exlusive they're basicly admiting that they'd need to gimp the game in order to make it multi-platform , they probably gimped GTA IV to make it multiplatofrm.
So much for the "Compelte Experience" Lol...
GTAV could be too big for the 360's DVD9, there is nothing wrong with that statement.
If the rumors of the DLC containing new cities is true, then this is the only way the 360 can deal with it.
| Million said: Imagine GTA on a 50 GB Blu Ray , that's the future.
By Rockstar not making GTA V a PS3 exlusive they're basicly admiting that they'd need to gimp the game in order to make it multi-platform , they probably gimped GTA IV to make it multiplatofrm. So much for the "Compelte Experience" Lol... |
i wouldnt go as far as to say that.. but he is hinting that if microsoft doesnt take steps then it might go exclusive..
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| makingmusic476 said: Well, even in context Dan Houser's words certainly don't paint a pretty picture. From 1UP: UP: Let's talk about the hardware issues. Back when GTA4 was delayed, PS3 technical hurdles were cited as a contributing factor. I take it those have been ironed out. SH: I don't know what anybody's said on that stuff. I didn't say anything, and I stay out of it.... Both machines are absolutely fantastic, but they both come with strengths and weaknesses. The strength of the 360 is a very, very accessible, familiar, effective environment to work in. You're making the game from the get-go, everyone understands its PC environment -- boom, off we go. It's pretty good. One of the problems with the 360, and it affects games like Grand Theft Auto if you think about how much content we put in the actual machine, is the fact that they don't have a significantly larger storage medium than the previous systems. It's a slightly bigger DVD disc. 1UP: Plus, you're not guaranteed a hard drive in every system. SH: That's a complicated one. I met with a bunch of the senior fellows from [Microsoft]. I said, that's kind of complicated.... The upshot of the technical challenges we've experienced on either the 360 or on the PS3 is [that] both companies stepped up to the plate and have supported us in a way that was beyond even my greedy expectations. They've been amazing. I think that the 360 is going to have to get 'round this issue we're talking about. I can think of various ways they can do it. Hopefully, they're going to adopt one of those in the next year or so, because it's going to become more of an issue. If we're filling up the disc right now, where are we going? It's not like our games are going to get any smaller. I think that issue's on the table with a bunch of games right now. I'm sure they'll come through with an intelligent solution. Also, the entire game is installed on the ps3? Are you serious? First, the ps3 simply does not have enough storage space to make full installs feasible. When data is installed on an HDD, it is decompressed, often fully (as decompressing on the fly would eat into CPU cycles, thus hindering game performance). As such, the 4gb of data installed on the ps3 would take up significantly less space on the actual disc than it does on the HDD, and any game of a reasonable size (5gbs and up on the disc) would significantly eat into the ps3's available storage space if they were fully installed. Installs are common on the ps3 version of multiplats simply because the ps3's Blu-Ray drive has a slightly lower read speed compared to the 360's DVD player. As such, the installs are done to help decrease loading. However, on ps3 exclusives developers can just have all the textures, etc. uncompressed straight on the disc, and allow them to be streamed directly from the disc when needed, ala Uncharted (stunning textures, no install, no loading whatsoever). Secondly, while a DVD-9 has 8.5gbs of available storage space (9.0 in a base-10 system), MS requires that a certain amount of space be partitioned off on a 360 disc for security reasons. Because of this, 360 discs only have around 6.8gbs of available space (7.2 in a base-10 system) for developers to use. The 360 version of GTAIV has already been pirated, and the ISO takes up 6.4gbs of space. That shows that 1. GTAIV is larger than 4gb, and 2. R* is in fact dangerously close to running out of space, as they themselves said. Third, are we even sure the data takes up 4GB of space? I seem to recall a mock GTAIV review being the first to mention that number. R* said the install only takes 5 minutes, while DMC4's 5 GB install took 25 minutes. |
Couple things here. What is this about the PS3 not having space? Worst case it has 20gb best case it has 80gb and you can put in any sized hard drive you want. Some clarification maybe? Because I'm confused. And yes the PS3 has a slower drive, but a blu ray lazer reads more data than a dvd lazer, so I believe the ps3 has a slightly faster read rate than a dvd drive at whatever speeds the 360 has.
| starcraft said: Of course I don't think it would be neccessary in the majority of cases to do 1:100 compression, but by all accounts both the PS3 and the Xbox 360 are VERY good at decompression. They have to be. |
But a Blu-Ray disc can hold more compressed data, too, still enabling a larger game size, or devs to compress data less, and probably use less CPU power decompressing. PS3s mandatory hard drive also helps...
I also call BS on the 100:1 lossless decompressing.
Please someone correct me if I am wrong but wouldn't a comment like this have potential to hurt the 360 sales for the game? Why buy a 360 for GTA IV if the owner of the company that makes the game says that GTA V will be too large for the system?
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Nice, GTA IV is just shipping and fanboys are already arguing about GTA V...
They could just put on the box that there is a hard drive requirement and how much space it would take...
I'm looking forward to the here and now... Not what might be. Too much time is spent speculating on what might be when there is a lot to talk about for the here and now.
| Euphoria14 said: Please someone correct me if I am wrong but wouldn't a comment like this have potential to hurt the 360 sales for the game? Why buy a 360 for GTA IV if the owner of the company that makes the game says that GTA V will be too large for the system? |
I don't think 360 owners should have any reason to worry right now , they have the "complete" version of GTA as the fanboys like to say . What they do have to worry about is future GTA titles. If Rockstar gimps GTA to fit on a DVD I swear to god i'll never buy a GTA title again.
edit : my grammars messed up , i'm tired.
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