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Regime change has to come from the people, like Syria, if not from the people, it can only be achieved through total defeat and years long occupation, like Japan/Germany after WW2. Obviously, we don't want to do the latter. All these bombing runs do as they've always ever done is unite Iranians under the flag of Iran, not necessarily under Khamenei because a lot of Iranians despise him, but united as a country for a common cause, it breeds nationalism and extremism, innocents die and their anger is then directed towards those doing the bombing (America/Israel).

And even IF Khamenei was overthrown, it would now more likely be due to Iranian hardcore nationalists believing he isn't being tough enough against Israel, it's very delicate to actually get the right person in charge after a regime falls and often it just ends up with another breed of terrorist taking over, so ultimately, if America and Israel's goal was to cause regime change in Iran for someone better to take over who is more sympathetic to America/Israel, this would probably be the worse way they could have gone about it.



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Case in Point

Yet in parallel the war has triggered a nationalist surge and narrowed the gap between ruler and ruled. No one has responded to calls from Binyamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, or Reza Pahlavi, the royalist pretender, for a popular uprising. Early admiration for Israel's military prowess has turned to outrage as its targets have widened and the death toll has mounted.

Scorn for the IRGC's haplessness has turned to pride at the speed with which it has reconstituted. Iranians who fled the capital are coming back. Those who once championed Israel are now handing over suspected Israeli agents to the police. Female political prisoners, the mothers of executed protesters and exiled Iranian pop stars have all issued calls to rally to Iran's defence. "It's backfired on Bibi," says a former official turned dissident, using the nickname of Mr Netanyahu.

The shift at the top could dramatically alter decision-making in Iran. Hardliners have always been against talks with America. They remember Muammar Qaddafi, the Libyan dictator, who surrendered weapons of mass destruction in exchange for a lifting of sanctions, and Saddam Hussein, who granted UN monitors unfettered access to Iraq. Both were toppled by Western interventions. Now even moderates feel burned: the last round of talks with America, set for June 15th, fooled them into lowering their guard just as Israel attacked.

A growing caucus advocates dashing for a bomb. In the run-up to the American attack, Iran removed stockpiles of enriched uranium, and perhaps centrifuges from the targeted sites, claims an insider. Satellite imagery from June 20th shows a queue of trucks at Fordow's gate. Some are suggesting detonating a nuclear device to prove Iran's capability. Others advocate dropping a warhead coated in weapons-grade uranium on Tel Aviv. "Sure as anything they will be going for a nuke. It's absolutely disastrous," laments a Gulf mediator.

Fierce Hardliners Are Grabbing Power in Iran

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Backfired all the way

Iran likely to exit NPT in coming weeks

Foad Izadi, the professor at the University of Tehran, told Al Jazeera that Iran has been cooperating with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) because it is a member of the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, but this collaboration has not benefitted Tehran.

So, Iran is likely to use Article 10 of the treaty, which allows countries to leave it, “in the coming days and weeks”, he said. “You don’t have to be a member of that treaty, there are many countries that are not a member. Israel, for example, is not a member,” Izadi noted.

“And Iran doesn’t have to be there, given the fact that Iranian nuclear sites that were under the supervision of the International Atomic Energy Agency, that were under the monitoring of International Atomic Energy Agency, were attacked, which is against international law,” he said.

“You’re not supposed to attack these sites, especially the sites that are being monitored all the time. So being a member of NPT has not benefitted Iran. And the majority of parliament wants to leave that treaty. I think that issue will be debated in Iran in the next few days,” he added.



SvennoJ said:

Backfired all the way

Iran likely to exit NPT in coming weeks

Foad Izadi, the professor at the University of Tehran, told Al Jazeera that Iran has been cooperating with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) because it is a member of the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, but this collaboration has not benefitted Tehran.

So, Iran is likely to use Article 10 of the treaty, which allows countries to leave it, “in the coming days and weeks”, he said. “You don’t have to be a member of that treaty, there are many countries that are not a member. Israel, for example, is not a member,” Izadi noted.

“And Iran doesn’t have to be there, given the fact that Iranian nuclear sites that were under the supervision of the International Atomic Energy Agency, that were under the monitoring of International Atomic Energy Agency, were attacked, which is against international law,” he said.

“You’re not supposed to attack these sites, especially the sites that are being monitored all the time. So being a member of NPT has not benefitted Iran. And the majority of parliament wants to leave that treaty. I think that issue will be debated in Iran in the next few days,” he added.

Hey now, Trump got nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize, it makes it all worth it. 🤡



Bruh.



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It's wearing thin that Trump calls everything left of fascism the radical left.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV will outsell Super Smash Bros. Brawl. I was wrong.

128 Democrats vote against impeaching Trump.

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— Andy Craig (@andycraig.bsky.social) 24 June 2025 at 19:15

I've said it before but the Democrat Party is one of the most pathetic opposition parties in the West, Lol. JFC...It wouldn't have passed anyway, it was a symbolic vote, so why the fuck would you vote no? All you do is once again show that Republicans are totally united on an issue while Democrats can't get on the same page or support Trump remaining in power, how does this look to your voter base?

All this tells me is 128 Democrats weren't mad about Trump bombing Iran, they were mad they weren't involved in the decision but they would have absolutely supported bombing Iran if it was put to a vote. This party I swear has absolutely zero fight in it aside from a few dozen, the public are fighting back against Trump's bullshit more than Dem leadership.

Democrats fight harder to stop a left wing candidate (Zohran Mamdani) than they do Trump, Lmao.

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PM Netanyahu: Israel ‘achieved all of the war’s goals’

Israel’s leader says US President Trump “expressed his immense appreciation” for attacking Iran. “Following President Trump’s conversation with Prime Minister Netanyahu, Israel refrained from further attacks,” the Prime Minister’s Office said in a statement.

“In the conversation, President Trump expressed his immense appreciation for Israel – which achieved all of the war’s goals. The president also expressed his confidence in the stability of the ceasefire.”

Does anyone believe them?

An ‘honour’ to ‘destroy’ Iran’s nuclear facilities, says Trump

President Trump has again posted on his Truth Social platform, this time saying it was a “great honour” to “destroy” Iran’s nuclear facilities. “It was my great honor to Destroy All Nuclear facilities & capability, and then, STOP THE WAR!”

Posting while en route to the NATO summit in The Hague, the US president added, “Both Israel and Iran wanted to stop the War, equally.”

Iran’s nuclear programme ‘degraded not ended’

Clara Broekaert, a research fellow at the Soufan Center, tells Al Jazeera that US and Israeli bombings failed to fully destroy Iran’s nuclear programme.

“Everything points to the fact that the nuclear programme has been degraded and not ended,” Broekaert said from Nice in southern France. “You cannot bomb away the knowledge of how to develop nuclear weapons,” she added.

Broekaert noted Iran’s incentive for a nuclear weapon “may have actually been accelerated” as a result of the attacks made against it over the past two weeks.


Macron fears ‘increased’ risk of secret uranium enrichment in Iran now

French President Emmanuel Macron has said there is an “increased” risk that Iran will attempt to enrich uranium secretly following US and Israeli strikes on its nuclear sites. “This risk has indeed increased with what has happened recently,” Macron told reporters, calling it “one of the main risks for the region and the international community”.

He added that “we must absolutely prevent Iran from going down this path”.

Then stop backing Israel and the US... They're the reason Iran 'needs' nuclear deterrent. 


Iranian lawmaker says IAEA boss should be banned

An Iranian lawmaker has called for International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) chief Rafael Grossi to be barred from entering the country.

Alaeddin Boroujerdi, a member of Iran’s parliamentary National Security and Foreign Policy Committee, said cooperation with the IAEA should be suspended, according to the Iranian Students’ News Agency.

This comes as the committee approved the general outline of a bill to halt all cooperation with the UN nuclear watchdog.

According to Tasnim news agency, committee spokesperson Ebrahim Rezaei said the bill could suspend inspections, camera installations, and reporting to the IAEA unless the safety of Iran’s nuclear sites is guaranteed.

However, the legislation will still have to pass a full parliamentary vote before coming to fruition.

‘No one in Iran will give up nuclear technology’: Foreign minister

Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi says Tehran is more determined to hold on to its nuclear programme after the 12-day Israeli assault.

“We have exerted a huge effort to acquire this technology. Our scientists made massive sacrifices and even lost their lives for this goal,” Araghchi told Al-Araby al-Jadeed news website.

“Our people have endured challenges for this, and a war was imposed on our nation over this issue. It is certain that no one in Iran will give up this technology.”

 



The US military strikes on three of Iran's nuclear facilities last weekend did not destroy the core components of the country's nuclear program and likely only set it back by months, according to an early US intelligence assessment that was described by three people briefed on it.

The assessment, which has not been previously reported, was produced by the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Pentagon's intelligence arm. It is based on a battle damage assessment conducted by US Central Command in the aftermath of the US strikes, one of the sources said.

The analysis of the damage to the sites and the impact of the strikes on Iran's nuclear ambitions is ongoing, and could change as more intelligence becomes available. But the early findings are at odds with President Donald Trump's repeated claims that the strikes "completely and totally obliterated" Iran's nuclear enrichment facilities. Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth also said on Sunday that Iran's nuclear ambitions "have been obliterated."

Two of the people familiar with the assessment said Iran's stockpile of enriched uranium was not destroyed. One of the people said the centrifuges are largely "intact." "So the (DIA) assessment is that the US set them back maybe a few months, tops," this person added.

US officials believe Iran also maintains secret nuclear facilities that were not targeted in the strike and remain operational, according to two sources familiar with the matter.

Exclusive: Early US intel assessment suggests strikes on Iran did not destroy nuclear sites, sources say | CNN Politics

There aren't enough facepalms in the world if this is true, it would be a total embarrassment for the USA.

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NYT Backing Up CNN

A preliminary classified U.S. report says the American bombing of Iran's nuclear sites sealed off the entrances to two of the facilities but did not collapse their underground buildings, according to officials familiar with the findings.

The early findings conclude that the strikes over the weekend set back Iran's nuclear program by only a few months, the officials said.

Before the attack, U.S. intelligence agencies had said that if Iran tried to rush to making a bomb, it would take about three months. After the U.S. bombing run and days of attacks by the Israeli Air Force, the report by the Defense Intelligence Agency estimated that the program was delayed less than six months.

The report also said much of Iran's stockpile of enriched uranium was moved before the strikes, which destroyed little of the nuclear material. Some of that may have been moved to secret nuclear sites maintained by Iran.

Some Israeli officials said they also believe that Iran has maintained small covert enrichment facilities that were built so the Iranian government could continue its nuclear program in the event of an attack on the larger facilities.

Officials cautioned that the five-page classified report is only an initial assessment, and others will follow as more information is collected and as Iran examines the three sites at Fordo, Natanz and Isfahan. One official said that the reports people in the administration had been shown were "mixed" but that more assessments were yet to be done.

But the Defense Intelligence Agency report indicates that the sites were not damaged as much as some administration officials had hoped, and that Iran retains control of almost all of its nuclear material, meaning if it decides to make a nuclear weapon it might still be able to do so relatively quickly.

Strike Set Back Iran’s Nuclear Program by Only a Few Months, U.S. Report Says - The New York Times

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