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Ryuu96 said:
CosmicSex said:

So I think I know what this is. Buckle up. There is a belief among some on the right that there needs to be a second civil war. They belive that the country is on the cusp and that they need to push us into this conflict. What better way than to take out Trump.

If this is the case it was clearly not thought out because they still would have killed him had he succeeded. I don't know how he was gonna blame this on the left....

The other theory is that some Republicans think Trump isn't 'Republican' enough. Which is scary on its face. They could be going after him for trying to distance himself from project 2025.

Based on evidence so far it leans towards him just being your average Republican but ultimately a messed up kid and your typical American mass shooter, no political agenda, he just wanted to cause chaos and left or right, killing Trump would do that and he'll go out in a "blaze of glory". The focus should therefore be on bullying, mental health support and further gun restrictions but it won't be.

Yeah these people are clearly suicidal. With nothign to live for, they have no problem attempting something like this.

Also, how fucking stupid are bullies to continue doing this after all the school shootings, etc?



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God saved Trump but then was like "eh, I can't be bothered" when it came to saving the Trump fan in the audience.



Ryuu96 said:

Based on evidence so far it leans towards him just being your average Republican but ultimately a messed up kid and your typical American mass shooter, no political agenda, he just wanted to cause chaos and left or right, killing Trump would do that and he'll go out in a "blaze of glory". The focus should therefore be on bullying, mental health support and further gun restrictions but it won't be.

You cited incomplete information. He is registered as a Republican but donated $15 to the Progressive Turnout Project according to the New York Times:

Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/14/us/politics/trump-gunman-thomas-crooks.html

"The gunman did not have a criminal history reflected in Pennsylvania’s public court records, and officials said they had not identified a motive. A voter-registration record showed Mr. Crooks’s Republican registration, though federal campaign-finance records show he donated $15 to the Progressive Turnout Project, a liberal voter turnout group, through the Democratic donation platform ActBlue in January 2021."

Based on the presented evidence, he was a radical progressive Democrat signed up as a Republican to vote against Donald Trump during the 2024 primary. Please try to be more accurate and not intentionally leave out information in the future. 

I guess trying to assassinate the former president means you have "no political agenda" these days. 



Jimbo1337 said:
Ryuu96 said:

Based on evidence so far it leans towards him just being your average Republican but ultimately a messed up kid and your typical American mass shooter, no political agenda, he just wanted to cause chaos and left or right, killing Trump would do that and he'll go out in a "blaze of glory". The focus should therefore be on bullying, mental health support and further gun restrictions but it won't be.

You cited incomplete information. He is registered as a Republican but donated $15 to the Progressive Turnout Project according to the New York Times:

Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/14/us/politics/trump-gunman-thomas-crooks.html

"The gunman did not have a criminal history reflected in Pennsylvania’s public court records, and officials said they had not identified a motive. A voter-registration record showed Mr. Crooks’s Republican registration, though federal campaign-finance records show he donated $15 to the Progressive Turnout Project, a liberal voter turnout group, through the Democratic donation platform ActBlue in January 2021."

Based on the presented evidence, he was a radical progressive Democrat signed up as a Republican to vote against Donald Trump during the 2024 primary. Please try to be more accurate and not intentionally leave out information in the future. 

I guess trying to assassinate the former president means you have "no political agenda" these days. 

Yeah...Except I already mentioned that in other posts.

He donated $15 to the PTP on Jan 20th, 2021. He was 17 years old at that time, then 8 months later he registered as a Republican on Sep 2021. Your theory is that he registered as a Republican to vote against Trump 3 years in advance, only to decide to throw it all away and get himself killed when there's 3 months left to vote? Not to mention, the shirt he was wearing is for a gun focused, right-leaning YouTube Channel.

Why I say it leans towards him not having a political motive is because he ticks all the boxes of your average American mass shooter, a loner who was heavily bullied in high school. His classmates also say he never spoke politics or criticised Trump, Discord has access to his account where they say he didn't speak politics or express hatred towards Trump, his socials offer nothing, there is no manifesto, yet. His political allegiance as a very young guy was shifting, yes, from the donation to Dems to registering as a Republican, the more likely explanation for that is the dude was 17 years old, young people are susceptible to changing their views quite easily, especially isolated ones like he is described as.

If you're angry at the world, want to go out in a blaze of glory and immortalise your name, what is a better way than killing a former President? I find this more plausible than "the dude registered as a Republican 3 years in advance in a masterful long-term plan to vote against Trump only to say fuck it, time to kill Trump with 3 months left on my masterful plan"

And Trump was registered Democrat once, people change.

I could easily say "He's a registered Republican, clearly it was a Republican trying to kill Trump, probably hates what Trump has done to the Republican Party or maybe he's a Nick Fuentes fanboy some of which have issues with Trump, etc." but I don't and instead find the "typical mass shooter" scenario to be the most plausible with the facts we have right now. You think he's a radical progressive Democrat because he donated $15 to them in 2021. Maybe I'm wrong but with the evidence we have right now, I'd argue that your scenario is far more implausible.

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Josh Shapiro seems great, I'd be interested in him running in 2028 (or 2032 if Harris takes over from Biden) Shame his name always reminds me of the other Shapiro twat. Josh Shapiro, Gavin Newsom, Gretchen Whitmer, Andy Beshear should all run. Would like to see Raphael Warnock and Mark Kelly on the debate stage too.

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Newsom concerns me There's a vibe I get from him, I don't know if it's unfair but he strikes me as a career politician who absolutely would challenge Harris if she takes over from Biden. I think it's just his look, Lol. But he's obviously setting up for a 2028 run, it has been pretty obvious for a while now he has his sights on 2028.

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Well at least now Trump won't have to lie again about events where he was close to dying to gather the attention.

As for what this means for the sake of this election, it will surely give him a boost, but I don't know to what extent. Democrats are not going to flip to Trump over this and it is pretty unlikely that Republicans who have grown to hate Trump over the years will reverse course either.

This will for sure make a very high participation rate with Trumpists on election day but this is already a trait they do have.

Still, independents vote can favor Trump big time.

Now Democrats must go nuclear with everything popular, drop their passiveness and their ridiculous infighting.



Ryuu96 said:

Yeah...Except I already mentioned that in other posts.

He donated $15 to the PTP on Jan 20th, 2021. He was 17 years old at that time, then 8 months later he registered as a Republican on Sep 2021. Your theory is that he registered as a Republican to vote against Trump 3 years in advance, only to decide to throw it all away and get himself killed when there's 3 months left to vote? Not to mention, the shirt he was wearing is for a gun focused, right-leaning YouTube Channel.

Why I say it leans towards him not having a political motive is because he ticks all the boxes of your average American mass shooter, a loner who was heavily bullied in high school. His classmates also say he never spoke politics or criticised Trump, Discord has access to his account where they say he didn't speak politics or express hatred towards Trump, his socials offer nothing, there is no manifesto, yet. His political allegiance as a very young guy was shifting, yes, from the donation to Dems to registering as a Republican, the more likely explanation for that is the dude was 17 years old, young people are susceptible to changing their views quite easily, especially isolated ones like he is described as.

If you're angry at the world, want to go out in a blaze of glory and immortalise your name, what is a better way than killing a former President? I find this more plausible than "the dude registered as a Republican 3 years in advance in a masterful long-term plan to vote against Trump only to say fuck it, time to kill Trump with 3 months left on my masterful plan"

And Trump was registered Democrat once, people change.

I could easily say "He's a registered Republican, clearly it was a Republican trying to kill Trump, probably hates what Trump has done to the Republican Party or maybe he's a Nick Fuentes fanboy some of which have issues with Trump, etc." but I don't and instead find the "typical mass shooter" scenario to be the most plausible with the facts we have right now. You think he's a radical progressive Democrat because he donated $15 to them in 2021. Maybe I'm wrong but with the evidence we have right now, I'd argue that your scenario is far more implausible.

I get that you aren't an American and likely don't understand the entire voting system, but there are other elections besides the presidential election every four years. We have elections ever 2 years that completely change the representatives in the House and a portion of the senators (since they have a 6 year term limit). So you can't just zero in on the presidential election, which happens every 4 years, as the sole reason for someone to shift their voter registration. There is strong evidence that he wanted to vote against republicans in 2022 and 2024 based on his actions (donating his money to the progressive campaign).

The entire rest of your post is just making up a scenario to fit the expected outcome you desire. The fact is that this shooter donated money on January 20, 2021 to the Progressive Turnout Project. This is 14 days after January 6th, 2021. 

Here is the Progressive Turnout Project's Facebook post today: "It's simple people: Donald Trump is a threat to our democracy and another four years of him would be detrimental to our country."

Source: https://www.facebook.com/turnoutpac/

The shooter therefore thought that Trump is a threat to American Democracy. Since he tried to kill Trump, the timing of his donation, and who he donate his money to, he is a radical progressive democrat by definition. That's the evidence we have. No made up scenario like you did. Just the facts.



Hiku said:
Ryuu96 said:

Based on evidence so far it leans towards him just being your average Republican but ultimately a messed up kid and your typical American mass shooter, no political agenda, he just wanted to cause chaos and left or right, killing Trump would do that and he'll go out in a "blaze of glory". The focus should therefore be on bullying, mental health support and further gun restrictions but it won't be.

Yeah these people are clearly suicidal. With nothign to live for, they have no problem attempting something like this.

Also, how fucking stupid are bullies to continue doing this after all the school shootings, etc?

How stupid are US schools not to do more against bullying you mean.

Bullies don't think of the consequences of their actions, most of the time they are acting out on a bad home situation. It's a cycle, passing violence along. Schools have the opportunity, the duty to break that cycle.


Trump wants more guns in schools, Biden actually said something against bullying
https://www.advocate.com/news/nex-benedict-joe-biden


https://weac.org/the-2025-biden-budget-makes-historic-investments-in-public-education/

The President’s budget: continues to make historic investments in schools with high poverty rates through Title I funding, increases supports for children with disabilities through IDEA, invests in mental health services for students and educators, reduces the cost of college, lifts the burden of student debt, invests in community schools, reduces gun violence, expands access to high quality preschool, invests in educator retention and recruitment, supports career pathways, provides additional healthy and free schools meals, and increases funding for Historically Black Colleges and Universities.

$200 million in investments in Full-Service Community Schools, an increase of $50 million above FY23 enacted levels and a 500-percent, or $120 million, increase in program funding since the beginning of the Administration. This increase provides integrated student supports to meet student and family social, emotional, mental, and physical health needs through partnerships with community-based organizations.

$216 million to increase the number of school-based counselors, psychologists, social workers, and other health professionals in K-12 schools, including $200 million from the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act, a 900-percent increase in program funding since 2021. This funding also supports colleges and universities develop campus-wide strategies to address student mental health needs including hiring additional providers on their campuses.

Biden has an opportunity here to put the focus on mental health in schools.



Jimbo1337 said:
Ryuu96 said:

Yeah...Except I already mentioned that in other posts.

He donated $15 to the PTP on Jan 20th, 2021. He was 17 years old at that time, then 8 months later he registered as a Republican on Sep 2021. Your theory is that he registered as a Republican to vote against Trump 3 years in advance, only to decide to throw it all away and get himself killed when there's 3 months left to vote? Not to mention, the shirt he was wearing is for a gun focused, right-leaning YouTube Channel.

Why I say it leans towards him not having a political motive is because he ticks all the boxes of your average American mass shooter, a loner who was heavily bullied in high school. His classmates also say he never spoke politics or criticised Trump, Discord has access to his account where they say he didn't speak politics or express hatred towards Trump, his socials offer nothing, there is no manifesto, yet. His political allegiance as a very young guy was shifting, yes, from the donation to Dems to registering as a Republican, the more likely explanation for that is the dude was 17 years old, young people are susceptible to changing their views quite easily, especially isolated ones like he is described as.

If you're angry at the world, want to go out in a blaze of glory and immortalise your name, what is a better way than killing a former President? I find this more plausible than "the dude registered as a Republican 3 years in advance in a masterful long-term plan to vote against Trump only to say fuck it, time to kill Trump with 3 months left on my masterful plan"

And Trump was registered Democrat once, people change.

I could easily say "He's a registered Republican, clearly it was a Republican trying to kill Trump, probably hates what Trump has done to the Republican Party or maybe he's a Nick Fuentes fanboy some of which have issues with Trump, etc." but I don't and instead find the "typical mass shooter" scenario to be the most plausible with the facts we have right now. You think he's a radical progressive Democrat because he donated $15 to them in 2021. Maybe I'm wrong but with the evidence we have right now, I'd argue that your scenario is far more implausible.

I get that you aren't an American and likely don't understand the entire voting system, but there are other elections besides the presidential election every four years. We have elections ever 2 years that completely change the representatives in the House and a portion of the senators (since they have a 6 year term limit). So you can't just zero in on the presidential election, which happens every 4 years, as the sole reason for someone to shift their voter registration. There is strong evidence that he wanted to vote against republicans in 2022 and 2024 based on his actions (donating his money to the progressive campaign).

The entire rest of your post is just making up a scenario to fit the expected outcome you desire. The fact is that this shooter donated money on January 20, 2021 to the Progressive Turnout Project. This is 14 days after January 6th, 2021. 

Here is the Progressive Turnout Project's Facebook post today: "It's simple people: Donald Trump is a threat to our democracy and another four years of him would be detrimental to our country."

Source: https://www.facebook.com/turnoutpac/

The shooter therefore thought that Trump is a threat to American Democracy. Since he tried to kill Trump, the timing of his donation, and who he donate his money to, he is a radical progressive democrat by definition. That's the evidence we have. No made up scenario like you did. Just the facts.

First you said he registered as a Republican to vote against Trump, now he registered as a Republican to vote against Republican Senators, House Members, etc. Okay Dokey. Lol. I didn't zero in on the Presidential election, it was you, now you're adding more because I pointed out he registered as a Republican in 2021 so it was unlikely to be for President.

How is there *strong* evidence that he wanted to vote against Republicans in 22/24 based on him donating $15 to a progressive campaign in 2021 and then later registering as a Republican...That ain't strong evidence. You accuse me of making up scenarios to fit the outcome I desire, that is exactly what you are doing here, over a $15 donation...

The outcome I would desire is not even the outcome I've described, if I hate Trump (which I do) and hate the Republican Party (which I do) then the outcome I would say is that he is a Republican who has became jaded against Donald Trump for various reasons (shocking to you, those Republicans do exist, though are rare).

Instead I say the outcome is likely to be yet another mass shooter in America, in a country with a severely lacking mental health support, with an incredibly easy access to deadly weapons, a man who was bullied his entire life, isolated and alone, tried to commit a horrific act and hit back at the world, where better to do that than a mass gathering like Trump's against a former President.

How many mass shooters has America had now? How many young white males let down by the system have gone on to commit disgusting acts now?

The facts are he donated to Progressives in 2021 and Registered as a Republican after, that his shirt was for a pro-gun/right leaning YouTube channel, that he was a loner who was bullied in High School, that he didn't express any political stance to his friends or any criticism of Trump, nor did he do so on Discord. Those are the facts and everything else is theory and I find my theory holds more water than yours with the facts that we have.

Your "He registered as a Republican to vote against Democrats" is NOT fact. I'm not actually desperately trying to pin my theory to blame Republicans as you're desperately trying to invent a theory to blame Democrats. I'm simply saying he is likely yet another fucked up dude who wanted to kill people as America has so many of them, there's absolutely no hard evidence so far that he was politically motivated on either side.

SO FAR.

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