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Mnementh said:
jason1637 said:

I think you do to keep things fresh. Imagine if Netflix only had You and Squid Games people would only sub around the time they drop new seasons. Yes gaming is different because it consumes more time and the live service model but there still needs for new content. And theres always the random breakout IP like Grounded that moves the needle. 

We know this, but do the managers? I doubt many people in the C-Suit in these big companies do play games. For movie execs it might be they maybe watch one or two movies a year, which at least gives them *some* insight in what they are selling. But upper management at MS probably don't play. The Xbox people do, but how much are they under pressure by Nadella and people on their level?

I mean for now we have Phil and we know he's a gamer. 



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Ryuu96 said:

And AI is still trash, sick of seeing Google's AI on all my search which often gets shit wrong, Lol.

I can't wait for this bubble to "burst" and when I say burst, I don't mean it's going to collapse into nothing, it will still play a big role in society (unfortunately) and replace many jobs (unfortunately) but people like Microsoft and OpenAI are MASSIVELY overhyping, it's like promising a cure for all diseases but you only end up curing 20, that is when the bubble will burst.

Microsoft talks about AI like it's going to change the world, cure all cancer, cure all diseases, remove world hunger, take us to stars, etc. It's just another overhyped piece of tech to drive up stock like when they tried to use Metaverse for the same thing, except AI is actually going to have a large impact, but just not one as big as Microsoft/OpenAI claim.

But unfortunately when it doesn't turn out to be the most world changing thing ever, Microsoft will take it out on all their other divisions. Satya is really turning into one of my most disliked CEOs of Microsoft. He is absolutely sucking all creativity out of Microsoft and I think when Xbox's old guard goes, he is going to dive right into MS Gaming to try to replace as many people as possible with some shit AI.

Microsoft Internal Memo: 'Using AI Is No Longer Optional.' - Business Insider

Honestly I have my issues with AI but It's not overhyped. Once we reach the point of AGI which is inevitable with how fast the space is growing the investments made will payoff. It's going to accelerate what we do now so like for disease research and space exploration something that might take 10 years to uncover or work on might be able to be done in 2 years with collaboration from AI once it hits that AGI benchmark. Not trying to defend AI i really don't like it either but the tech truly is insane.
Also the Trump bill if it ever passes has a 10 year ban on states regulating AI. Scary stuff.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jun/27/trump-tax-bill-ai-climate-emissions



Just the way I wanted to start off the week.



...to avoid getting banned for inactivity, I may have to resort to comments that are of a lower overall quality and or beneath my moral standards.

DroidKnight said:

Just the way I wanted to start off the week.

Can't have a week go by without some Xbox doom and gloom this week is looking to get worse as well.

Both Ybarra and Fryer are from the old guard of the way the console business traditionally ran, and seeing Xbox derail from that traditional way of competing in the extreme way that they are will get the original people upset about it. Even Seamus Blackley is vocal about it. 

Xbox has made it clear that they're no longer competing in the traditional way, so it really shouldn't be a surprise to anyone about any decisions Xbox makes.

Although Fryer's thought that Xbox is leaving first-party hardware is pretty unfounded considering we just had the announcement 2 weeks ago that the next Xbox console is coming that will play all Xbox console games natively.



You called down the thunder, now reap the whirlwind

DroidKnight said:

Just the way I wanted to start off the week.

Something funny about those two stances is that the former (Mike Ybarra) outright says that Xbox should kill their hardware and become a full publisher whilst the latter (Laura Fryer) sounds more super depressed about the Xbox hardware ceasing to exist (in her opinion) so they have pretty contrasting stances, Lmao.

Anyway, I don't care much about Mike's thoughts, I don't see why Xbox has to not make hardware as an option for those who want it, literally the only person who may be hurt by more Xbox hardware is only Microsoft themselves if it completely bombs, so if Mike's worry is about Xbox losing jobs if the hardware bombs, well take a look around, it literally doesn't matter at all to Microsoft, there is nothing that you can do for Microsoft to prevent being laid off whether you're running a profitable business or not.

So make more hardware, I want more hardware, I don't see how it's confusing really, Xbox can make more niche hardware that sells at a profit for those who still want it and will remain in Xbox's ecosystem, even if it's only 10-20m it would be worth doing if it is sold at a profit because that's also still 10-20m people spending solely in Xbox's ecosystem.

Also with it being a hybrid Xbox/PC, in effect it is essentially going to be a prebuilt PC, how is that confusing? It is what Microsoft should have done years ago, they should have done it instead of Xbox Series X/S and it's what they originally wanted to do. It's just Microsoft making more PC devices, like their Surface line-up. There's nothing confusing to me. I don't understand this mentality from Mike that it is one or the other, if they become a 3rd party publisher that they must not ever make hardware ever again.

As for Fryer, her comments come across as a bit "back in the good old days" but we're not in 2005 anymore, things have drastically changed, the current approach wasn't working for Xbox and destined to become more and more irrelevant, they had to change. Xbox hardware is not dead (yet) because they just announced new hardware. I get that she has an attachment to the old ways of Xbox and the piece of plastic but if it carried on like that then Satya would have literally shut Xbox down entirely.

I for one actually really like the idea of Xbox's future Play Anywhere, on any device approach, the Xbox/PC hybrid, the Xbox/PC handhelds, their own hardware for those who want it, not pointlessly locked down to a single piece of plastic. I'm excited for that, if only Microsoft wasn't a massive cunt everywhere else and destroyed all my excitement with these constant layoffs and pure greed, that is actually the #1 thing pushing me away from their ecosystem right now and not this change in direction which I'm tired of debating.

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G2ThaUNiT said:
DroidKnight said:

Just the way I wanted to start off the week.

Can't have a week go by without some Xbox doom and gloom this week is looking to get worse as well.

Both Ybarra and Fryer are from the old guard of the way the console business traditionally ran, and seeing Xbox derail from that traditional way of competing in the extreme way that they are will get the original people upset about it. Even Seamus Blackley is vocal about it. 

Xbox has made it clear that they're no longer competing in the traditional way, so it really shouldn't be a surprise to anyone about any decisions Xbox makes.

Although Fryer's thought that Xbox is leaving first-party hardware is pretty unfounded considering we just had the announcement 2 weeks ago that the next Xbox console is coming that will play all Xbox console games natively.

Seamus is more upset I think about how they're treating their employees.

Funnily, Mike straight up replies to someone and says Xbox should kill their hardware and become full third party so he isn't old guard in the sense like Fryer is, and I imagine a lot of Xbox console warriors will latch onto Mike's comments but without reading further where he says they should kill the Xbox hardware. Mike's stance low-key seems the more "investor" one where he is speaking from a pure money making perspective but he always gave off that vibe for me, and he gave it off really strongly when he was running Blizzard.

Fryer's stance definitely looks the more personal one, which I sort of understand, but if they were still running things like she wanted, Satya wouldn't have hesitated to put a bullet in Xbox. Should just be grateful we're getting more hardware at all and at least if it's a full blown Xbox/PC hybrid then our libraries will be safe if Xbox ever does cease with hardware entirely but the console wars are over, Xbox is competing on a different front now.

And I'm not sure why Fryer threw a dig at Xbox; "make a lot of money releasing their older games. Older games from an era when Xbox knew how to build them." What? Has she been living under a rock? Xbox Studios have been on an absolute roll the past year and that looks to continue for all of 2025 too, in both consistency and quality, that should continue for the future (if they don't fuck that all up with layoffs), so what the hell is she talking about? It does come across a bit like an angry employee saying "I was better than you was!" 

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To be honest, as long as my library and profile is safe, and future devices can work as seamlessly as a console (plug straight in and play) then I really would not give a shit whether the next "Xbox hardware" devices are "made by Microsoft" or "made by ASUS" or "made by whoever" because at that point the only damn difference is that one has Microsoft's official stamp on it and one doesn't, Lol.

I would perhaps "trust" a Xbox made device more but that's only because I've bought Xbox devices for my entire life, but from a user standpoint, I really don't see what damn difference it would make to me. I'm really excited to have a PC device but with console features, console UI/UX which I can just easily plug in and play without any extra Windows bullshit and one which I can carry my entire profile and library over to, which ensures it's safe because PC is the safest place to store a library.

If the next Xbox is essentially a PC then...The ecosystem is basically going to be available on all PCs and if they pull this off then it makes no difference to me whether Xbox makes the hardware or Asus does, they will all provide the same thing but at different specs, I'm getting an ROG Xbox Ally X and excited for it, but that's very much an ASUS creation first and a Microsoft creation second and I'll likely have the same stance for future hardware if it's no longer directly made by Microsoft. I'll just likely end up picking the most powerful, Xbox as it stands is simply a device to access my library and nothing more, so would these 3rd party devices.

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XBOX IS DOOMED! we're literally recycling talking points, like it or not they've laid out the strategy and while it is disruptive to the traditional past 40 years of videogames, they are putting games everywhere and their hardware will be an open platform powered by Windows. So now we see if they can execute and will it work? No idea but only time can answer that question as anything said today is just speculation

^

It also means anyone can make one, Lol. The next hardware being an open platform powered by Windows means Microsoft will absolutely bring this Xbox UI/UX/OS available to be downloaded on any PC device and BC will be brought to all PCs, it won't be exclusive to this single device. Which means ASUS could make essentially the same device, a trimmed PC device that boots straight into the Xbox ecosystem.

The only difference would be that the ASUS device wouldn't have an Xbox logo slapped on it, Lol.

But I think they will continue with their own devices even after the already confirmed one just like the Surface line-up which has been going on for over 10 years now, despite the fact that they could have easily killed it off and not noticed a damn thing in their financials, but they use it as a branch to expand their Windows ecosystem along with everything else.

Anyway, I probably won't debate this any further because I'm angry about the upcoming layoffs and have no interest in defending Microsoft's business decisions all day even if I agree with certain aspects of them like this one, because they're just going to piss me off again with different shitty business decisions and I can't be arsed to waste my time.

In regards to hardware and Xbox's multiplatform/hardware future, we'll just have to wait and see what happens and see who is right or wrong in the end, but like I said, I care more about the layoffs than a piece of plastic, I was excited for future Xbox hardware after it was confirmed, now I'm just feeling meh, I'll likely buy it but it's only because my profile/library, Game Pass and everything else is still there and the piece of plastic is a device to access all of that.

Funnily if the next Xbox was just another Xbox console like a straight up sequel to Xbox Series X/S and not a Xbox/PC hybrid, that would be the thing to cause me to dump Xbox hardware and move to making my own PC, Lol. Because I know I'd be wasting my time but at least if the next Xbox fails to Microsoft's expectations, if it is a Xbox/PC hybrid, it won't matter to me, because everything I own on it will still be safe and available on a different PC device.

It's going to be a middle-ground between Console - PC for me which ensures I'll never be worried about my future with the platform ever again.



Looks like we're for sure getting to see the supposed Halo remake at HCS Finals!



You called down the thunder, now reap the whirlwind

That all but confirms they're revealing a Halo project at HCS.

You know what, I love that, they could have revealed it at the June showcase but instead they're giving it straight to Halo's most dedicated fans directly to them, at a Halo dedicated event, Halo Studios new approach is far more fan focused.

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