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crissindahouse said:

Someone drove with his car into a christmas market in Germany. Musk says Scholz needs to step down now to get even more sympathy by everyone who hates foreigners.

I wonder how often he will ask Trump to step down after every single school shooting which will happen the next years? Or is a killed person only a problem If the killer was a muslim?

Germany's homicide rate per 100k people is 0,8 and USA's is 5,7. So I guess If Trump won't reduce USA's rate from 5,7 to something below 0,8, Musk will ask Trump to step down, right?

Turns out the attacker was a Saudi who became an anti-Islam activist and is also a supporter of AfD and Elon Musk alongside being pro-Israel but don't let facts get in the way of the far right, they always within seconds of a crime like this scream about how they know their entire motive, facts and waiting for information don't matter when they just flood the zone with bullshit, they will ignore this and continue with their bullshit or claim that an Arab couldn't possibly be far-right so it's all fake news.

I'll say again, Europe seriously needs to do something about Twitter because once again Musk is trying to inflame tensions, like when the UK had a stabbing and Twitter immediately blamed it on an immigrant, Musk then chimed in attacking Starmer, only for it to turn out that that murderer was born in the UK but did Musk apologise? No, he kept attacking Starmer and fanning the flames and what happened as a result of Twitter disinformation? There was riots all over the UK, people were hurt, hotels were set on fire.

This absolute fucking cunt is actively contributing to violence in Europe.

Europe is slow walking itself into a disaster, fucking ban Twitter, enough is enough.

Bet Musk won't tell Trump to resign when the 200th school shooting happens in America.

Sources:

The suspected perp in the German Christmas market attack is an “AfD fan and likes Elon Musk,” per @derspiegel’s national security reporter: x.com/fideliusschm...

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— Michael Weiss (@michaeldweiss.bsky.social) 21 December 2024 at 04:07

German attack suspect: “I can say from experience, everything that [Tommy] Robinson says, what Musk says, what Alex Jones says, or anyone who is called radical or right-wing extremist by mainstream media - they are telling the truth” www.spiegel.de/panorama/jus...

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— Shashank Joshi (@shashj.bsky.social) 21 December 2024 at 08:42

“The alleged perpetrator A. is obviously a fan of the AfD, according to an evaluation of … his social media accounts by the SPIEGEL. Eight years ago, he wrote on Twitter that he wanted to start a project together with the AfD: an academy for ex-Muslims.” www.spiegel.de/panorama/jus...

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— Shashank Joshi (@shashj.bsky.social) 21 December 2024 at 08:43

‘In November, he formulated four "demands of the liberal Saudi opposition" on X, the first point was: "Germany must protect its borders against illegal migration. It has been shown that the open border policy was a plan by Merkel to Islamize Europe," he wrote with reference to the former Chancellor’

— Shashank Joshi (@shashj.bsky.social) 21 December 2024 at 08:44

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It's astonishing how blind the British political establishment remains to the richest man in the world backing every neo-nazi cause around, including here

— Sathnam Sanghera (@sathnam.bsky.social) 20 December 2024 at 20:35

1/Reminder: The AfD is not just any far-right party. Its leaders use Nazi slogans, members have been arrested for allegedly spying for the Chinese, and it is monitored as a suspected extremist group. Even the French National Rally has broken off relations. www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2...

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— Abe Newman (@abenewman.bsky.social) 20 December 2024 at 14:16

Too fascist for the far right National Rally in France but not too fascist for Elon Musk.

As for the UK, I was told by those who voted for it that Brexit was meant to restore our sovereignty and prevent foreign countries from meddling in our politics, now those same people are largely rolling over at the thought of foreign countries meddling in our politics. Would you look at that, it changed nothing, made the UK weaker and we have a foreigner interfering in our elections.

Ban all foreign donations to domestic political parties and ban Twitter.

The richest man in the world is currently trying to control the world and interfere in multiple countries elections, Soros who?

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Ryuu96 said:
crissindahouse said:

Someone drove with his car into a christmas market in Germany. Musk says Scholz needs to step down now to get even more sympathy by everyone who hates foreigners.

I wonder how often he will ask Trump to step down after every single school shooting which will happen the next years? Or is a killed person only a problem If the killer was a muslim?

Germany's homicide rate per 100k people is 0,8 and USA's is 5,7. So I guess If Trump won't reduce USA's rate from 5,7 to something below 0,8, Musk will ask Trump to step down, right?

Turns out the attacker was a Saudi who became an anti-Islam activist and is also a supporter of AfD and Elon Musk alongside being pro-Israel but don't let facts get in the way of the far right, they always within seconds of a crime like this scream about how they know their entire motive, facts and waiting for information don't matter when they just flood the zone with bullshit, they will ignore this and continue with their bullshit or claim that an Arab couldn't possibly be far-right so it's all fake news.

I'll say again, Europe seriously needs to do something about Twitter because once again Musk is trying to inflame tensions, like when the UK had a stabbing and Twitter immediately blamed it on an immigrant, Musk then chimed in attacking Starmer, only for it to turn out that that murderer was born in the UK but did Musk apologise? No, he kept attacking Starmer and fanning the flames and what happened as a result of Twitter disinformation? There was riots all over the UK, people were hurt, hotels were set on fire.

This absolute fucking cunt is actively contributing to violence in Europe.

Europe is slow walking itself into a disaster, fucking ban Twitter, enough is enough.

Bet Musk won't tell Trump to resign when the 200th school shooting happens in America.

Sources:

The suspected perp in the German Christmas market attack is an “AfD fan and likes Elon Musk,” per @derspiegel’s national security reporter: x.com/fideliusschm...

[image or embed]

— Michael Weiss (@michaeldweiss.bsky.social) 21 December 2024 at 04:07

German attack suspect: “I can say from experience, everything that [Tommy] Robinson says, what Musk says, what Alex Jones says, or anyone who is called radical or right-wing extremist by mainstream media - they are telling the truth” www.spiegel.de/panorama/jus...

[image or embed]

— Shashank Joshi (@shashj.bsky.social) 21 December 2024 at 08:42

“The alleged perpetrator A. is obviously a fan of the AfD, according to an evaluation of … his social media accounts by the SPIEGEL. Eight years ago, he wrote on Twitter that he wanted to start a project together with the AfD: an academy for ex-Muslims.” www.spiegel.de/panorama/jus...

[image or embed]

— Shashank Joshi (@shashj.bsky.social) 21 December 2024 at 08:43

‘In November, he formulated four "demands of the liberal Saudi opposition" on X, the first point was: "Germany must protect its borders against illegal migration. It has been shown that the open border policy was a plan by Merkel to Islamize Europe," he wrote with reference to the former Chancellor’

— Shashank Joshi (@shashj.bsky.social) 21 December 2024 at 08:44

It's fair to presume immigrants as being the cause of terrorism, because Europe has had so much terrorism coming from Muslims.  Everybody hates neo nazis but they are thankfully not going around killing everybody.  Eco-terrorists are more rare than a dinosaur.  It's basically muslims, sorry, but not sorry.  



Hope that's sarcasm.



Pretty sure 95%+ of all homicides have nothing to do with Religion but those max 5% drive people crazy.

Neo-Nazis also kill, especially those specific Nazis Germany had already.

Neo-Nazis would also never help someone dying as example on a sinking ship in the mediteranian sea. They laugh about everyone drowning. But I guess that's all not so bad



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In case it wasn't sarcasm.

It's not fair to presume anything until we know the facts, there's a reason why vigilante justice is illegal, presuming shit gets people hurt or even killed, it is not fair to presume an entire group of peoples are inherently always to blame and it also doesn't even make sense, not all immigrants are Muslim, not even all immigrant murderers are Muslim.

Especially when I've literally just provided two examples of the negative consequences of presuming shit.

The stabbing in the UK which everyone PRESUMED was an illegal boat migrant, so what did they do? They went on a literal rampage across the UK, trashing our streets, attacking unrelated people, committing VIOLENCE on a PRESUMTION and even setting fire to fucking hotels housing innocent people, all because of a PRESUMPTION that turned out to be BULLSHIT because the murderer was born in the UK.

Sorry, they were all committed by white British folk so it doesn't count and the white saviours don't care about a black boy being murdered. But the moment someone somewhat resembling an Arab commits a murder it's all "OMFG IT'S AN IMMIGRANT, OPEN BORDERS, SHUT THEM ALL DOWN, THEY'RE ALL FUCKING ANIMALS, ROUND THEM UP, DEPORT THEM ALL, LETS GO BURN DOWN A HOTEL, LETS GO SMASH OUR STREETS UP!"

Now we're seeing it again in Germany, the assumptions being made, when it turns out the killer was actually a far-right supporter of the fucking AfD...He IS a Neo-Nazi if he supports the Nazi Party in Germany, it doesn't matter if he's white or not, how can you respond to a straight up example of a Neo-Nazi killing people and then say "Neo-Nazis don't go around killing people"

One of the most well known murderers in Europe is literally a goddamn Neo-Nazi - Anders Behring Breivik

The whole of goddamn Europe fought against Nazis trying to kill everyone and they're now trying to come back.

Ukraine is currently being slaughtered by a fascist state that are the modern day Nazis.

There are also dozens of Neo-Nazi groups that get stopped before they manage to commit attacks, due to the fact that it's easier to catch whole cells planning attacks than a loner, so when you say Neo-Nazis don't go around committing murders, it's not because they don't want to, it's because they're often stopped but clearly not all the time as there are dozens of Neo-Nazi murderers across Europe. Lets not get into America either, a quick Google search comes up with multiple hits, even the most recent school shooter was a fan of Hitler.

You don't presume shit until facts come out otherwise it leads to witch hunts and vigilantism and innocent people getting hurt and as I've pointed out lately, multiple times these people have presumed shit and been wrong, like with the Trump shooters, like with the UK murderer, like with the German murderer, like with the school shooters, they want to push their hatred onto an entire group, whether that be trans people or anyone who isn't white, to justify violence against them.

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I should have invaded Ukraine earlier, Putin tells Russians in TV marathon - BBC News

Before the 2014 invasion or before the 2022 full scale invasion? Lol. Can't be before 2022 surely, the Republicans were telling me that Trump was the only thing that stopped Putin from invaded (despite the fact he invaded in 2014 and continued to fight Ukraine during Trump's presidency), now Putin is saying he should have invaded during Trump's term!? But the Republicans told me Putin is afraid of Trump!

I have to admit I was wrong – Putin’s annual live TV shitshow turned out to be worth studying after all.

Today made it perfectly clear what Vladimir Putin is in late 2024.

This man is sick.

— Illia Ponomarenko (@ioponomarenko.bsky.social) 19 December 2024 at 22:41

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Ryuu96 said:

In case it wasn't sarcasm.

It's not fair to presume anything until we know the facts, there's a reason why vigilante justice is illegal, presuming shit gets people hurt or even killed, it is not fair to presume an entire group of peoples are inherently always to blame and it also doesn't even make sense, not all immigrants are Muslim, not even all immigrant murderers are Muslim.

Especially when I've literally just provided two examples of the negative consequences of presuming shit.

The stabbing in the UK which everyone PRESUMED was an illegal boat migrant, so what did they do? They went on a literal rampage across the UK, trashing our streets, attacking unrelated people, committing VIOLENCE on a PRESUMTION and even setting fire to fucking hotels housing innocent people, all because of a PRESUMPTION that turned out to be BULLSHIT because the murderer was born in the UK.

Sorry, they were all committed by white British folk so it doesn't count and the white saviours don't care about a black boy being murdered. But the moment someone somewhat resembling an Arab commits a murder it's all "OMFG IT'S AN IMMIGRANT, OPEN BORDERS, SHUT THEM ALL DOWN, THEY'RE ALL FUCKING ANIMALS, ROUND THEM UP, DEPORT THEM ALL, LETS GO BURN DOWN A HOTEL, LETS GO SMASH OUR STREETS UP!"

Now we're seeing it again in Germany, the assumptions being made, when it turns out the killer was actually a far-right supporter of the fucking AfD...He IS a Neo-Nazi if he supports the Nazi Party in Germany, it doesn't matter if he's white or not, how can you respond to a straight up example of a Neo-Nazi killing people and then say "Neo-Nazis don't go around killing people"

One of the most well known murderers in Europe is literally a goddamn Neo-Nazi - Anders Behring Breivik

The whole of goddamn Europe fought against Nazis trying to kill everyone and they're now trying to come back.

Ukraine is currently being slaughtered by a fascist state that are the modern day Nazis.

There are also dozens of Neo-Nazi groups that get stopped before they manage to commit attacks, due to the fact that it's easier to catch whole cells planning attacks than a loner, so when you say Neo-Nazis don'rders, it's not because they don't want to, it's because they're often stopped but clearly not all the time as there are dozens of Neo-Nazi mut go around committing murderers across Europe. Lets not get into America either, a quick Google search comes up with multiple hits, even the most recent school shooter was a fan of Hitler.

You don't presume shit until facts come out otherwise it leads to witch hunts and vigilantism and innocent people getting hurt and as I've pointed out lately, multiple times these people have presumed shit and been wrong, like with the Trump shooters, like with the UK murderer, like with the German murderer, like with the school shooters, they want to push their hatred onto an entire group, whether that be trans people or anyone who isn't white, to justify violence against them.

So what religious group has been the cause of the greatest number of deaths on american soil, due to terrorism?   

The Jews?  The buddhists?  The hari krishnas?   No, they only hand out flowers.     

The hindus?   No, they only give us good food and teach us how to meditate.  

Perhaps i spoke too strongly, but that happens.  Wouldn't it be fair to be suspicious of certain groups with regards to responsibility, because of their history?

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shavenferret said:
Ryuu96 said:

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So what religious group has been the cause of the greatest number of deaths on american soil, due to terrorism?   

The Jews? The buddhists?  The hari krishnas? No, they only hand out flowers.     

The hindus? No, they only give us good food and teach us how to meditate.  

Perhaps i spoke too strongly, but that happens.  Wouldn't it be fair to be suspicious of certain groups with regards to responsibility, because of their history?

I don't know what you aren't getting about me saying it's not sensible to presume anything until we know the facts. The murderer in the UK wasn't an immigrant, the murderer in Germany wasn't Muslim, the shooter in America wasn't Trans but Elon Musk's Twitter pushes all of these conspiracy theories to make these groups of people "the enemy" without having a single fact to begin with. I don't know about America but the biggest cause of deaths in Europe is probably the Nazis, the same Nazis that dozens of Neo-Nazi groups are trying to bring back. The same Nazis that the school shooter in America praised, the same Neo-Nazi group that the German killer supported.

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Ryuu96 said:
shavenferret said:

So what religious group has been the cause of the greatest number of deaths on american soil, due to terrorism?   

The Jews? The buddhists?  The hari krishnas? No, they only hand out flowers.     

The hindus? No, they only give us good food and teach us how to meditate.  

Perhaps i spoke too strongly, but that happens.  Wouldn't it be fair to be suspicious of certain groups with regards to responsibility, because of their history?

I don't know what you aren't getting about me saying it's not sensible to presume anything until we know the facts. The murderer in the UK wasn't an immigrant, the murderer in Germany wasn't Muslim, the shooter in America wasn't Trans but Elon Musk's Twitter pushes all of these conspiracy theories to make these groups of people "the enemy" without having a single fact to begin with. I don't know about America but the biggest cause of deaths in Europe is probably the Nazis, the same Nazis that dozens of Neo-Nazi groups are trying to bring back. The same Nazis that the school shooter in America praised, the same Neo-Nazi group that the German killer supported.

blimey!

So, which religious group has commited the most harmful acts of terrorism in America?  My point is to try to aggregate these acts of terrorism and total everything up.  You won't be able to do that practically because of varying definitions of terrorism as they say one man's trash is another's treasure.  Luckily, however for the purpose of making a point, one group seems to have committed much more political body counts than all the rest.  Which would this be?  Do you not want to mention?   Keep in mind, that i'm an American, and I view politics from a local perspective.  

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