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The co-leader of the far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) party on Sunday said Germany should reconsider its membership of NATO if the U.S.-led military alliance did not consider the interests of all European countries, including Russia. "NATO is currently not a defense alliance. A defense community must accept and respect the interests of all European countries — including Russia's interests," Chrupalla said.

German Far-Right Leader Questions NATO Membership 

Imagine Churchill saying something like "We must accept and respect the interests of all European countries - Including Nazi Germany" Although, it sounds like the AfD would have liked that. Just feels like history is repeating itself, now we have Nazi-lite parties being voted for due to economic difficulties and once again it will backfire massively and we'll say "never again" and forget in 50 years.

Russia's defence minister said on Monday that Moscow must be ready to fight the NATO military alliance in Europe in the next decade, as President Vladimir Putin said he believed the Ukraine war was turning in Moscow's favour. Putin accused the West of pushing Russia to its "red lines" - situations it has publicly made clear it will not tolerate - and said Moscow had been forced to respond.

Russia Must Be Ready To Fight NATO In Europe In Next Decade, Minister Says | Reuters

Putin's Final Warning #3000

The Wall Street Journal has reported that a Chinese ship suspected of damaging telecommunications cables in the Baltic Sea acted under orders from Russian intelligence. The Wall Street Journal, citing anonymous sources involved in the investigation, said Russian intelligence instructed the ship’s captain to damage the cables with the ship’s anchor.

WSJ: Russia Orchestrated Chinese Ship's Baltic Cable Sabotage - Euromaidan Press

On the flip side, Europe continues to put up with far too much shit, Russia is at war with us already but people don't want to accept it, they're doing massive election interference in European countries to put pro-Russian candidates in charge so they can more easily slaughter and rape European countries, they're sabotaging our cables, they sabotage military facilities and openly assassinate on our soil, they murder our neighbours, they repeatedly themselves claim they are at war with NATO and are preparing for war with Europe in the future.

Helsinki Commission staff have mapped nearly 150 hybrid operations executed in NATO territory occurring since the outset of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine that have been attributed to or suspected of Russia (see Figure 1). The identified hybrid operations fall into four categories: critical infrastructure attacks, violence campaigns, weaponized migration, and election interference and information campaigns.

+ Trying to assassinate the CEO in charge of a vital European military manufacturer.



Repairability of Tanks Turned Out 3 to 5 Times Below Expected, russians Suddenly Discover

https://en.defence-ua.com/analysis/repairability_of_tanks_turned_out_3_to_5_times_below_expected_russians_suddenly_discover-12883.html



Uh, NATO is supposed to defend its members, not everyone, and especially not its main enemy. What kind of morons even believe that stuff AfD spews out, because it doesn't make any sense at all.



Zkuq said:

Uh, NATO is supposed to defend its members, not everyone, and especially not its main enemy. What kind of morons even believe that stuff AfD spews out, because it doesn't make any sense at all.

The first sentence of Ryuu's post tells you why it doesn't make sense, especially the "far-right" part.  Far-right politicians have started spewing filth on behalf of Russia,  it would seem.  I think it's a result of Russian money being spent creatively to get influential people on their side.  



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shavenferret said:
Zkuq said:

Uh, NATO is supposed to defend its members, not everyone, and especially not its main enemy. What kind of morons even believe that stuff AfD spews out, because it doesn't make any sense at all.

The first sentence of Ryuu's post tells you why it doesn't make sense, especially the "far-right" part.  Far-right politicians have started spewing filth on behalf of Russia,  it would seem.  I think it's a result of Russian money being spent creatively to get influential people on their side.  

Well, the far right often does seemingly make sense, but this is just blatant nonsense with no redeeming qualities, seemingly or otherwise. I guess if you've already decided what makes sense, regardless of the facts, then yeah, that nonsense can also make sense, but you're got to be really deep in nonsense in the first place for that to work.



Zkuq said:
shavenferret said:

The first sentence of Ryuu's post tells you why it doesn't make sense, especially the "far-right" part.  Far-right politicians have started spewing filth on behalf of Russia,  it would seem.  I think it's a result of Russian money being spent creatively to get influential people on their side.  

Well, the far right often does seemingly make sense, but this is just blatant nonsense with no redeeming qualities, seemingly or otherwise. I guess if you've already decided what makes sense, regardless of the facts, then yeah, that nonsense can also make sense, but you're got to be really deep in nonsense in the first place for that to work.

Well, often when people create these artificial realities where they are paid to act a certain way or they are acting in a way that would be contrary to their nature, the whole thing doesn't make sense at all.   That's often a red flag for me, which tells me that something isn't right about the situation.  



Trump Team Criticises Killing of Russian General in Moscow | Ukrainska Pravda

Of course they do, stop killing Trump's friends, Ukraine!

Same Trump team that lobbed a bomb at an Iranian General.



Notice how when Russia is defeated in Syria, by a bunch of (by Russia's own words) terrorists, who Russia only a few years ago was saying if they tried to pop their heads up again, they would face the full might of the Russian army and be destroyed, notice how Russia is not threatening to nuke them now that their puppet has been defeated but instead rolling over like a dog and desperately trying to be nice to them to keep their bases.

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