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Remember the Sudetenland !

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudetenland#Sudeten_Crisis

"Hitler, in a speech at the Sportpalast in Berlin, claimed that the Sudetenland was "the last territorial demand I have to make in Europe" and gave Czechoslovakia a deadline of 28 September 1938 at 2:00 p.m. to cede the Sudetenland to Germany or face war."

(sounds familiar to another dictator's promises of today)

Last edited by BFR - 6 days ago

BFR said:

Remember the Sudetenland !

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudetenland#Sudeten_Crisis

The West might divide Ukraine like Czechoslovakia in 1938, Slovak PM Fico said. He warned the West could tire of the war and agree to partition Ukraine, saying, “A time will come when the West says: ‘Well, it didn’t work out, so let’s sacrifice Ukraine.’”
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— NOELREPORTS (@noelreports.com) 12 December 2024 at 16:20

Slovakia: Ukraine will have to give up land for peace, it's the only sensible option.

Also Slovakia: Ukraine will be backstabbed by its allies and forced to surrender land for peace.

They really are co-opting the Russian approach of throwing a bunch of different shit out there, Lol.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - 6 days ago

BFR said:

Remember the Sudetenland !

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudetenland#Sudeten_Crisis

"Hitler, in a speech at the Sportpalast in Berlin, claimed that the Sudetenland was "the last territorial demand I have to make in Europe" and gave Czechoslovakia a deadline of 28 September 1938 at 2:00 p.m. to cede the Sudetenland to Germany or face war."

(sounds familiar to another dictator's promises of today)

It's just crazy that Russia is so hell bent on expansion that Putler is more than willing to run his nation into the ground wrt to multiple economic/manpower/etc sorts of problems.  



This whole discussion is so stupid. If the West would try and REALLY support Ukraine, then Russia would be out of Ukraine in a few months. So Slovakia is kind of correct that the West could eventually backstab Ukraine and Ukraine will be forced to give up territory because it doesn't look as if the West is willing to do more. But Russia itself isn't the problem. They are not undefeatable or anything. They are pretty much the opposite of that. They are really weak as we can see since years. Winning a little territory every week against a country which doesn't get what they need to fight back isn't showing a powerful nation.

So, would there be "peace" if the West would help Ukraine to kick Russia out of Ukraine? Maybe not, maybe there wouldn't be a peace agreement even without any Russian on Ukrainian land but who cares? They wouldn't be in Ukraine anymore, call it peace or war if the outcome is the same...

Russia can say they are at war with the West for the next 100 years if they want to. If no Russian soldier would harm anyone anymore outside Russia it wouldn't be a difference. 



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Top Russian general accused by Kyiv of chemical weapons crimes is killed by bomb in Moscow

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/two-people-killed-explosion-moscow-russian-media-report-2024-12-17/



Sorry Shave, beat ya to it



BFR said:

Sorry Shave, beat ya to it

Good job! I'm not finding these daily reports as often in the winter b/c less action is going on.  So whenever you can, please post what you have.  

And yeah, Ukraine looks like they did very well for themselves yesterday.  



As Trump pushes ceasefire talks, Ukrainians push back with conditions

https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2024/12/trump-pushes-ceasefire-talks-ukrainians-push-back-conditions/401713/

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A few quotes from the article:
1. On continuing aid in the Trump administration

"Ustinova said that she was encouraged by her recent meetings with Republican lawmakers, some members of Trump's incoming security team, and others.

“I do think that there might be cuts in financial or humanitarian aid [from the United States], but in terms of military support, I can tell you that my main contacts on [Capitol Hill] and everybody who will be stepping in [to leadership positions on key congressional committees] are going to tell [Trump] it's not going to stop,” she said. "

2. On Ukraine's demand to be included within NATO as part of what it needs for an agreed cease-fire:

" Ukrainian officials have said their country has received less than half of the total military aid that the United States has promised. Getting that aid, especially long-range missiles, would allow cross-border strikes that could ward off Russian attacks.

Ustinova said that Ukraine’s accession to NATO had to remain on the table.

“The unoccupied part has to be a part of NATO,” she said, citing the various times Putin had agreed to halt aggression toward Ukraine just to re-arm for another expanded assault, while violating the agreements. “We have already been through all of these agreements in 2015 with Crimea, with the Minsk Agreement when we had basically to give up Crimea.” "