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"I See British People"

Good lord, Russians must check under their beds at night for British people, they're absolutely obsessed with us!

Yeah yeah, lets just say Britain is doing it, what are you going to do about it? Lol. NGL..Part of me likes that UK receives all the blame from Russia

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 20 August 2024

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Ryuu96 said:

"I See British People"

Good lord, Russians must check under their beds at night for British people, they're absolutely obsessed with us!

Yeah yeah, lets just say Britain is doing it, what are you going to do about it? Lol. NGL..Part of me likes that UK receives all the blame from Russia

Yes the Russians should be kinda scared of the British, but mostly that paranoid idiot who got them in this war on the first place 



Russian FPV operator fraggs his officer with a grenade and sabotages local hq before escaping, joining the ukranians
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3897023-russian-serviceman-blows-up-headquarter-with-stormtrooper-officers-and-defects-to-ukraine-diu.html



We Cannot Give Into The Isolationists. Taiwan Must Not Fall.

By Mike Pence and Ed Feulner

A new and troubling strain of isolationism is emerging within the Republican Party.

For more than 70 years, America heeded MacArthur’s warning. For decades, standing with Taiwan has been a cornerstone of American strategy in the Indo-Pacific. Our leaders have recognized that Taiwan is a crucial barrier to the expansion of communist influence in the region. With virtual unanimity, leaders of both political parties have acknowledged that abandoning Taiwan and allowing it to fall into the hands of the Chinese Communist Party would not only betray our values but also endanger the security and prosperity of the United States and the free world.

But now, even as Chinese President Xi Jinping has candidly admitted his intention to annex Taiwan, a new and troubling strain of isolationism is emerging within the Republican Party that advocates for turning our backs on Taiwan and other allies. This new isolationism, masquerading as realism, dismisses the strategic imperatives that have underpinned American foreign policy since World War II. Former president Donald Trump recently epitomized this sentiment when he remarked in an interview with Bloomberg News, “Taiwan is 9,500 miles away. It’s 68 miles away from China.” Such comments reflect a dangerously narrow understanding of America’s role in the world and ignorance of the far-reaching consequences of American disengagement.

What is distance to a global superpower? The beaches of Normandy are 3,700 miles away. Iwo Jima is 7,600 miles. It’s roughly 7,000 miles from Washington, D.C., to Afghanistan. America remains the world’s only true superpower, fully capable of projecting forces to every corner of the earth. Distance has no bearing on our responsibility to safeguard American interests.

Opinion - The Washington Post

Pence calling out Trump, now lets see if he backs these words up further and endorses Harris.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 21 August 2024

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Ryuu96 said:

We Cannot Give Into The Isolationists. Taiwan Must Not Fall.

By Mike Pence and Ed Feulner

A new and troubling strain of isolationism is emerging within the Republican Party.

For more than 70 years, America heeded MacArthur’s warning. For decades, standing with Taiwan has been a cornerstone of American strategy in the Indo-Pacific. Our leaders have recognized that Taiwan is a crucial barrier to the expansion of communist influence in the region. With virtual unanimity, leaders of both political parties have acknowledged that abandoning Taiwan and allowing it to fall into the hands of the Chinese Communist Party would not only betray our values but also endanger the security and prosperity of the United States and the free world.

But now, even as Chinese President Xi Jinping has candidly admitted his intention to annex Taiwan, a new and troubling strain of isolationism is emerging within the Republican Party that advocates for turning our backs on Taiwan and other allies. This new isolationism, masquerading as realism, dismisses the strategic imperatives that have underpinned American foreign policy since World War II. Former president Donald Trump recently epitomized this sentiment when he remarked in an interview with Bloomberg News, “Taiwan is 9,500 miles away. It’s 68 miles away from China.” Such comments reflect a dangerously narrow understanding of America’s role in the world and ignorance of the far-reaching consequences of American disengagement.

What is distance to a global superpower? The beaches of Normandy are 3,700 miles away. Iwo Jima is 7,600 miles. It’s roughly 7,000 miles from Washington, D.C., to Afghanistan. America remains the world’s only true superpower, fully capable of projecting forces to every corner of the earth. Distance has no bearing on our responsibility to safeguard American interests.

Opinion - The Washington Post

Pence calling out Trump, now lets see if he backs these words up further and endorses Harris.

This is all because of Trump. If he loses the election, the party will return to normal. 



shavenferret said:
Ryuu96 said:

We Cannot Give Into The Isolationists. Taiwan Must Not Fall.

By Mike Pence and Ed Feulner

A new and troubling strain of isolationism is emerging within the Republican Party.

For more than 70 years, America heeded MacArthur’s warning. For decades, standing with Taiwan has been a cornerstone of American strategy in the Indo-Pacific. Our leaders have recognized that Taiwan is a crucial barrier to the expansion of communist influence in the region. With virtual unanimity, leaders of both political parties have acknowledged that abandoning Taiwan and allowing it to fall into the hands of the Chinese Communist Party would not only betray our values but also endanger the security and prosperity of the United States and the free world.

But now, even as Chinese President Xi Jinping has candidly admitted his intention to annex Taiwan, a new and troubling strain of isolationism is emerging within the Republican Party that advocates for turning our backs on Taiwan and other allies. This new isolationism, masquerading as realism, dismisses the strategic imperatives that have underpinned American foreign policy since World War II. Former president Donald Trump recently epitomized this sentiment when he remarked in an interview with Bloomberg News, “Taiwan is 9,500 miles away. It’s 68 miles away from China.” Such comments reflect a dangerously narrow understanding of America’s role in the world and ignorance of the far-reaching consequences of American disengagement.

What is distance to a global superpower? The beaches of Normandy are 3,700 miles away. Iwo Jima is 7,600 miles. It’s roughly 7,000 miles from Washington, D.C., to Afghanistan. America remains the world’s only true superpower, fully capable of projecting forces to every corner of the earth. Distance has no bearing on our responsibility to safeguard American interests.

Opinion - The Washington Post

Pence calling out Trump, now lets see if he backs these words up further and endorses Harris.

This is all because of Trump. If he loses the election, the party will return to normal. 

Maybe. It either goes back to Bush Republicanism or it will eat itself, either they realise that Trump needs to be dumped and they move onto someone like Nikki Haley or they take the wrong message and think they need to double down on Trumpism. There's going to be a fight for the party if Trump loses and only one side will win.

I don't agree with many Republican policies but I'd be fucking relieved to go back to the days of the largest disagreements being about economic policies. At least the old Republicans understood the concept of allies and didn't bend over backwards for Russia, they didn't despise their own country so much that they praised literal fucking dictators. At least Europe and Asia could rely on them not to stab them in their back.

Trumpism needs to be cut out like the rot it is but not enough Republican politicians stand up against it, and those who do have now already left office like Adam Kinzinger, Mike Pence, Liz Cheney, etc. I hope to God if Trump loses that Republican politicians grow a spine and utterly annihilate Trumpism from their party but I have my doubts still.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 21 August 2024

Just an interesting observation I've noticed about the whole evolution of politics over the last 20 years.

Twenty years ago, the left side of American politics had more or less two faction, the libertarian socialist sorts and the more progressive conservatives sorts (although, they wouldn't call themselves conservatives, but liberals). Both of these sorts lived in relative harmony through the 90s (probably not so much in the 1960s and 70s), but the second Gulf War created a massive split. So much so, that the much larger progressive conservative faction labeled the libertarian socialists as right-wingers because they were in favour of the war against Iraq - not seeing or ignoring the very different motivations between the libertarian left and the Bush Conservatives - I'll explain that below.

To differentiate between the other "libertarians" - the right-wing sort. The right-wing libertarians are mostly isolationist and satisfied that they have the libertarian rights when many others don't; while the leftists are more internationalists and want to see rights for all humankind. The Bush Conservatives were seen as capitalist imperialists - an extension of Reagan Neoliberalism.

To narrow this down a little further into something people can grasp: Christopher Hitchens was the major voice on the libertarian socialist side. Now, speaking of Hitchens, I believe he was more of a straight up socialist prior to the Romanian coup. He was in Romania at the time it happened, saw the effects of the before and after. He was later anti-Gulf war in the beginning, but then went to Iraq, and spoke with the socialists among the Kurds, and learned of their struggle, and of the atrocities of Saddam Hussein. That's when Christopher Hitchens became the major voice of the libertarian socialists. And that's also why, when George W Bush invaded Iraq, he supported the ousting of Saddam Hussein, he supported the destruction of all the tyrannical regimes. And the majority of the left saw Hitchens as a traitor, and even insane; he warned of Putin, how Putin and that regime was a tyranny against the Ukrainian people.

Bottom line, after Hitchens's death, there was a dramatic shift on the left side of politics, and his brand is quickly becoming the dominant brand of the Democratic Party. A brand that, 20 years ago, was seen as turning their backs on the left because they were misled.

I wonder how this sudden shift occurred?



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

Russians are baffled that Space Force troops are used to battle the ukranians. They don't get that Putler is getting desperate

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-putin-kursk-ukraine-incursion-aerospace-forces-1941643



https://youtu.be/htComVAPwuY?si=Zsk9sBcHnAb-rBAt

Listening to this now, a podcast and interview with a professor that is talking about the F-16 tactics in ukraine