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Ryuu96 on 29 July 2024

America should just send Ukraine 1,000 Bradley's, Lol.

Park them in Poland until Ukraine needs them.



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shavenferret on 29 July 2024
Ryuu96 said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

It's more like they're waiting for Ukraine to make those subs permanent residents of the floor of the black sea

Doubt Russia is dumb enough to park them in range again, Lol.

Unfortunate Ukraine isn't allowed Storm Shadow's maximum range version which is 550km.

It would be pretty badass if Ukraine could put some drones to sea from Russia and use them on its seabases 



Ryuu96 on 29 July 2024
Spoiler!



Ryuu96 on 29 July 2024

Rebels in Mali Display Ukrainian Flag After Wagner Defeat

Mali Rebels Offer to Hand Over Captured Wagnerites to Ukraine



Jumpin on 29 July 2024
shavenferret said:

The Kremlin jails the father of Russia's internet

https://cepa.org/article/russia-jails-the-father-of-russias-internet/

He’s 72 and terminally ill. Jailed and sentenced to hard labour for what is effectively thought crime.



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

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shavenferret on 29 July 2024
Jumpin said:
shavenferret said:

The Kremlin jails the father of Russia's internet

https://cepa.org/article/russia-jails-the-father-of-russias-internet/

He’s 72 and terminally ill. Jailed and sentenced to hard labour for what is effectively thought crime.

Welcome to 1984



Ryuu96 on 29 July 2024

Only six Ukrainian pilots have reportedly been trained by European Nato members to fly F-16 fighter jets due to be delivered to Kyiv next month. Ukraine has been urging its allies for months to send them the jets, claiming they would help defend against long-range strikes and bring about a swift end to the war. Citing Ukrainian and Western officials, the Washington Post reported that not only are there far too few trained pilots to give Ukraine an edge but the jets can not immediately be used on the front line due to improving Russian air defences.

Several European countries have been involved in the programme to train Ukrainian pilots on F-16s, which includes language training in Britain. But the project had limited spots and was marred by delays, the unnamed officials told the Post. The officials said that Ukraine would only receive one squadron of F-16s this year, roughly 20 fighter jets, far fewer than it had been hoping for.

For two years, Ukraine has been asking for F-16 fighter jets to counter Russia’s domination of the skies. In total, 80 F-16 fighter jets have been promised to Ukraine by Denmark, the Netherlands, Norway and Belgium. But Volodymyr Zelensky and Ukrainian commanders have complained that like with other weapons pledges, it is too little, too late. The officials said that when the much-vaunted F-16s do finally arrive in Ukraine, they won’t be the game-changers as hoped.

One reason is that Ukrainian commanders have said they will be deployed in a defensive capacity because Russia still controls the skies and has set up air defence systems across the front line, making it too risky to send out F-16s. “We will not use it too close to the Russians” due to the threat of air defences, a Ukrainian official told the Washington Post.

Basing the F-16s in Ukraine has also become a problem. F-16s need a long, clean runway, free of stones or debris. Over the past few weeks, Russia has been bombing the only suitable bases. Ukrainian frustrations over the limited impact of the F-16s come as relations between Kyiv and Washington fray. US media reported that earlier this month, the Kremlin phoned Washington to warn that Ukraine was planning a covert operation that would trigger a bigger war. Furious and alarmed, the US reportedly ordered Kyiv to call off the attack.

Telegraph



shavenferret on 29 July 2024
Ryuu96 said:

Only six Ukrainian pilots have reportedly been trained by European Nato members to fly F-16 fighter jets due to be delivered to Kyiv next month. Ukraine has been urging its allies for months to send them the jets, claiming they would help defend against long-range strikes and bring about a swift end to the war. Citing Ukrainian and Western officials, the Washington Post reported that not only are there far too few trained pilots to give Ukraine an edge but the jets can not immediately be used on the front line due to improving Russian air defences.

Several European countries have been involved in the programme to train Ukrainian pilots on F-16s, which includes language training in Britain. But the project had limited spots and was marred by delays, the unnamed officials told the Post. The officials said that Ukraine would only receive one squadron of F-16s this year, roughly 20 fighter jets, far fewer than it had been hoping for.

For two years, Ukraine has been asking for F-16 fighter jets to counter Russia’s domination of the skies. In total, 80 F-16 fighter jets have been promised to Ukraine by Denmark, the Netherlands, Norway and Belgium. But Volodymyr Zelensky and Ukrainian commanders have complained that like with other weapons pledges, it is too little, too late. The officials said that when the much-vaunted F-16s do finally arrive in Ukraine, they won’t be the game-changers as hoped.

One reason is that Ukrainian commanders have said they will be deployed in a defensive capacity because Russia still controls the skies and has set up air defence systems across the front line, making it too risky to send out F-16s. “We will not use it too close to the Russians” due to the threat of air defences, a Ukrainian official told the Washington Post.

Basing the F-16s in Ukraine has also become a problem. F-16s need a long, clean runway, free of stones or debris. Over the past few weeks, Russia has been bombing the only suitable bases. Ukrainian frustrations over the limited impact of the F-16s come as relations between Kyiv and Washington fray. US media reported that earlier this month, the Kremlin phoned Washington to warn that Ukraine was planning a covert operation that would trigger a bigger war. Furious and alarmed, the US reportedly ordered Kyiv to call off the attack.

Telegraph

wtf...... Multiple countries have brought in pilots.  I've read about the United States and a few others.  They should have at least a dozen pilots ready to go by now.  As to the effect that the F-16s could have, even I don't think that they will be shooting down a lot of Russian planes.  But at the very least, they should shoot down a few and more importantly, keep Russia's planes less likely to be able to get close enough to launch these devastating glide bomb attacks.  

Also, I keep saying it but they need the Gripen.  It would be much easier to learn and more suited for the kind of war that Ukraine is fighting.  They could hide the plane on a road or in a farmer's barn, as Gripen's don't need premium top-tier care like the F-16 requires. 

And finallly, we've all been wanting Ukraine to move to Western tactics because they are widely regarded as better.  But Western tactics always assumes that you need to have some degree of air superiority to win.  So ukraine had better get this in gear and figure out something.  smdh

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Ryuu96 on 30 July 2024
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Ryuu96 on 30 July 2024
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