TonsofPuppies said:
EpicRandy said:
The right to speak doesn't come with the obligation from anyone to offer you a stage to speak. Refusing to hear someone you don't agree with from speaking using your medium is actually, in and of itself, an exercise of your own right to speak.
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Of course it doesn't, but the rest of your take is laughable. There's a big difference between refusing to hear someone else speak (not listening) and refusing to allow that person to speak at all or refusing to allow other people (who willingly want to do so) listen to that person speak.
If we use the college campus example, which is a good one, then it is up to the college or university in question to determine if they'll allow that person to speak. If they've chosen to do so, antifa (or another other group of activists) have no right to shut down that speech - they do not own the stage, to use your wording.
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I don't want to derail this thread so I won't reply further than this post.
- There's a big difference between refusing to hear someone else speak (not listening) and refusing to allow that person to speak at all or refusing to allow other people (who willingly want to do so) listen to that person speak.
Nothing in my previous post says otherwise, not allowing someone on a stage does not equal not allowing them speak speak at all and also does not prevent anyone from listening to them they'll just have to do so through other medium and in the case of Shapiro believe me there are plenty... unfortunately.
- If they've chosen to do so, antifa (or another other group of activists) have no right to shut down that speech.
That's were we disagree. They have all the right to voice their opposition or even protest the decision, that's is also called free speech or right to protest. If the college/ university reverse course due to the voiced opposition then there's nothing wrong with this.
- they do not own the stage, to use your wording.
They do not own the stage they own their voice which they used successfully to the extend that the campus reversed decision to allow Shapiro on stage. Free speech is what ultimately denied Shapiro the stage.