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LOOKS LIKE GOOD NEWS FROM FRANCE! FUCK LE PEN! FUCK THE FAR-RIGHT! UK AND FRANCE BATTLING THE FAR RIGHT OFF! COME ON AMERICA! YOU'RE NEXT!

Popular Front (Left Alliance): 180-215 seats
Ensemble (Center-Right / Macron): 150-180 seats
National Rally (Far-Right): 120-150 seats
The Republicans (Right): 60-65 seats

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 07 July 2024

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That feeling of hope again.



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BFR said:

This is the new defence minister. In general I'm happy with the new coalition in my country (though it remains to be seen if they can get things done), but with Wilders's party as the winner our support for Ukraine could have been dialed down. I wouldn't have agreed with such a stance so I'm glad he didn't block this and our support can continue uninterrupted.



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S.Peelman said:
BFR said:

This is the new defence minister. In general I'm happy with the new coalition in my country (though it remains to be seen if they can get things done), but with Wilders's party as the winner our support for Ukraine could have been dialed down. I wouldn't have agreed with such a stance so I'm glad he didn't block this and our support can continue uninterrupted.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Wilders not get enough for a majority and all the other parties in Netherlands are pro-Ukraine support so he's kind of fucked if he wants support?

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Ryuu96 said:

LOOKS LIKE GOOD NEWS FROM FRANCE! FUCK LE PEN! FUCK THE FAR-RIGHT! UK AND FRANCE BATTLING THE FAR RIGHT OFF! COME ON AMERICA! YOU'RE NEXT!

Popular Front (Left Alliance): 180-215 seats
Ensemble (Center-Right / Macron): 150-180 seats
National Rally (Far-Right): 120-150 seats
The Republicans (Right): 60-65 seats

The biggest problem with this is now how France is going to govern. Not having a majority in the Assemblée is akin to an American president whose party is in the minority both on the House and Senate, making it very hard to govern or getting anything done really.

There are already some talks about Macron's party Ensemble potentially making a deal with the PS (Party Socialiste, center-left) and potentially also Les Républicains (The Republicans, center-right) if the seats from the PS won't suffice to get above 289 seats and an absolute majority, but with a more left-leaning bend going forward.

Predictably, the RN is already calling the result "undemocratic".



Bofferbrauer2 said:
Ryuu96 said:

LOOKS LIKE GOOD NEWS FROM FRANCE! FUCK LE PEN! FUCK THE FAR-RIGHT! UK AND FRANCE BATTLING THE FAR RIGHT OFF! COME ON AMERICA! YOU'RE NEXT!

Popular Front (Left Alliance): 180-215 seats
Ensemble (Center-Right / Macron): 150-180 seats
National Rally (Far-Right): 120-150 seats
The Republicans (Right): 60-65 seats

The biggest problem with this is now how France is going to govern. Not having a majority in the Assemblée is akin to an American president whose party is in the minority both on the House and Senate, making it very hard to govern or getting anything done really.

There are already some talks about Macron's party Ensemble potentially making a deal with the PS (Party Socialiste, center-left) and potentially also Les Républicains (The Republicans, center-right) if the seats from the PS won't suffice to get above 289 seats and an absolute majority, but with a more left-leaning bend going forward.

Predictably, the RN is already calling the result "undemocratic".

Yes, now it's on Macron to not fuck things up, which I'm not that confident in, Lol.

Far as I'm aware, only RN is adamantly in favour of limiting Ukraine's support, as long as Macron stays away from those twats, I don't like seeing them have that many seats still but overall good news, the left united when it mattered and pulled off a great feat, Macron's gamble backfired on him and RN got far less seats than projected.



Ryuu96 said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

The biggest problem with this is now how France is going to govern. Not having a majority in the Assemblée is akin to an American president whose party is in the minority both on the House and Senate, making it very hard to govern or getting anything done really.

There are already some talks about Macron's party Ensemble potentially making a deal with the PS (Party Socialiste, center-left) and potentially also Les Républicains (The Republicans, center-right) if the seats from the PS won't suffice to get above 289 seats and an absolute majority, but with a more left-leaning bend going forward.

Predictably, the RN is already calling the result "undemocratic".

Yes, now it's on Macron to not fuck things up, which I'm not that confident in, Lol.

Far as I'm aware, only RN is adamantly in favour of limiting Ukraine's support, as long as Macron stays away from those twats, I don't like seeing them have that many seats still but overall good news, the left united when it mattered and pulled off a great feat, Macron's gamble backfired on him and RN got far less seats than projected.

He wanted to avoid a RN government, and he got what he wished.

The biggest problem between the NFP (Nouveau Front Populaire, the left-wing alliance in this election) and Macron's Ensemble! coalition is that the NFP has some parties that are considered unsavory, mainly the LFI (La France Insoumise, France unbowed, a left-wing populist party) and the PCF (Parti Communiste Français, French communist party), the former mostly because it's somewhat Eurosceptic and in that regard not much better than the RN, though for different reasons (Nationalism for the RN, anti-Imperialism for LFI).

If they manage to set those differences aside, then Macron basically got everything he wanted - his policies will just skew much more to the left instead to the right like they did in the last years.



Bofferbrauer2 said:
Ryuu96 said:

Yes, now it's on Macron to not fuck things up, which I'm not that confident in, Lol.

Far as I'm aware, only RN is adamantly in favour of limiting Ukraine's support, as long as Macron stays away from those twats, I don't like seeing them have that many seats still but overall good news, the left united when it mattered and pulled off a great feat, Macron's gamble backfired on him and RN got far less seats than projected.

He wanted to avoid a RN government, and he got what he wished.

The biggest problem between the NFP (Nouveau Front Populaire, the left-wing alliance in this election) and Macron's Ensemble! coalition is that the NFP has some parties that are considered unsavory, mainly the LFI (La France Insoumise, France unbowed, a left-wing populist party) and the PCF (Parti Communiste Français, French communist party), the former mostly because it's somewhat Eurosceptic and in that regard not much better than the RN, though for different reasons (Nationalism for the RN, anti-Imperialism for LFI).

If they manage to set those differences aside, then Macron basically got everything he wanted - his policies will just skew much more to the left instead to the right like they did in the last years.

What I read from some is that Macron wanted RN in the PM spot to expose how incompetent they are in time for the next French Presidential elections and isn't particularly a fan of many in the left, has he not lost seats from this gamble too? Ah well, I hope you're right and he does skew more to the left, either way I'm happy with RN performing way worse than projected.

It feels like the biggest winners were the Left Alliance.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 07 July 2024