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Hope to see USA and UK seizing Russian assets and sending them to Ukraine together.



BFR said:

YES !!!!!!!

It is clear after today's vote, that the Republican party today is divided into two factions: Reagan Republicans vs. MAGA Republicans.

As the saying goes: United we stand and divided we fall. 

The Demos are set to dominate the November elections.



So about a week before aid starts rolling in in Ukraine. I wonder if Russia would try to rush something in the meantime, with mud seasons they would likely achieve close to no gain anyway while suffering extremely high losses, so I kind of hope they make this mistake.



BFR said:
BFR said:

YES !!!!!!!

It is clear after today's vote, that the Republican party today is divided into two factions: Reagan Republicans vs. MAGA Republicans.

As the saying goes: United we stand and divided we fall. 

The Demos are set to dominate the November elections.

It's crazy because it wasn't long ago where Republicans would be fucking creaming themselves at the thought of hurting Russia, destroying their military equipment, blowing up Russian tanks, ships, submarines, aircraft, etc...Without even sending a single American soldier into battle...Them Republicans were all in on "Russia is the enemy" and now today...More than half of Republicans in House taking a bullet for Putin and looking the other way as Putin threatens America's allies, invades countries, expands its influence through military means and threatens America itself.

The Moderate Republicans let this rot grow though, they're almost just as much to blame, they didn't fight back enough against it, rolled over because Trump winning was more important than anything, it's about time they isolate these MAGA cultists the same way these MAGA cultists want to turn America into a isolationist country or it will continue to grow, Russia really managed to get its grips into the Republican party and completely flip it. For all their faults, you could at least count on Republicans to be ultra protective over America but now, Lol, a lot of these Republicans would open the door to Putin invading America and happily welcome him as their leader.



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This was a devastating defeat for Putin today. Even though the vote in the US Senate is still ahead of us, due to the Democrat majority and the fact that several Republicans will support the bill anyway, this vote is all but a formality.

The implications cannot be entirely measured, yet, but they are for sure substantial. Both, the Ukraine bill but likely even more the bill to divert Russian funds to Ukraine will hurt Russia on a scale unseen. Aside from the irony that Russian money will be used to destroy Russian invaders, there is also another side effect. Many Russian oligarchs will silently blame Putin for this blunder (one of many). Usually Putin tried to compensate that kind of blows by giving those Oligarchs something in exchange, but the sheer volume will make this impossible. We are not talking about few peanuts but billions which are goon for good. Vladimir can hardly shrug that off and they will not forget this either. The tensions in the Putin systems will inevitably rise.

This outcome will have also a huge impact on the MAGA movement which obviously experienced a Waterloo-class defeat today. It will not upend them now, but it is clear that it will be generally considered a huge disappointment. Not few in MAGA movement are full blown isolationists and made it all about this. Trump might think that making this a loan makes a difference but the truth is nobody gives a F. It will be anyway mostly forgiven and paid with Russian money. Nobody cares. Trump obviously dropped the ball and they will not forget that. Surely, they will not vote for Biden, but they will not vote for the Republicans either.

What comes now is not only a huge moral boost for the Ukrainian defenders but also a substantial support in the coming weeks. The effects of the bill will need time to materialize but with the certainty of its arrival Ukraine will be able to finally stop rationing ammunition and start shooting back. This aid as well as the European support, which due to this delay has grown considerably as well, will give Ukrainian forces the edge to withstand the Russian onslaught and potentially even more. It is necessary to carefully plan the next steps and hammer out a strategy which will break the stalemate and bring the victory which was enshrined in the bill which passed the House. In short, it was a very good day.

(((Tendar))) on X



How much does Russia have frozen in the USA and UK anyway?

  • Reuters says $67 billion in U.S. dollar assets and $37 billion in British pound assets.
  • Euronews says €67bn in U.S. (maybe they meant dollars).
  • NBCNews says more than $6 billion of the $300 billion in frozen Russian assets are sitting in U.S. banks. 
  • ForeignPolicy says estimates of between $40 billion and $60 billion or so in the U.S.

UK in 2023 said The United Kingdom alone has frozen more than £18 billion in Russian assets then later in the year said £22.7 billion worth of assets frozen in relation to the Russia regime have been reported frozen to OFSI since the beginning of Russia’s large-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.

Who the fuck knows what America's number is...If America genuinely goes through with it, UK will likely follow, as we usually do, Lol.

I know the vast majority is held in EU countries though and EU doesn't want to go through with it because "slippery slope" and "breaks international law" and instead EU is doing profits from the frozen assets (which may be in the billions anyway) but America and UK absolutely should just say "fuck it" and send all those frozen assets to Ukraine.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 20 April 2024

One more thought I have.......If America leads, the rest of the free world will follow.

Now that my USA has given $61 billion US dollars in aid to Ukraine for the remainder of this year,

I expect other countries to jump on the Ukraine bandwagon.

............

and Putin is shitting his pants right now.



If you knew that most of the military aid that Congress approves for Ukraine was being spent right here in the United States, quite possibly in your own congressional district — strengthening our defense production capacity and creating good manufacturing jobs for American workers — would you want your representatives in Washington to support it?

But our military aid to Ukraine is also revitalizing our defense industrial base, creating hot production lines for the weapons we need to deter potential adversaries and creating manufacturing jobs in the United States. That’s because 90 percent of the $68 billion in military and related assistance Congress has thus far approved is not going to Ukraine but is being spent in the United States, according to an analysis by Mark Cancian of the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

With a team of researchers at the American Enterprise Institute, I have catalogued the weapons systems being produced in the United States for Ukraine, identifying the congressional districts where they are being made and how House members voted on the funding. We analyzed contracts and news releases and spoke to defense industry experts, diplomats and Pentagon officials to determine where U.S. tax dollars end up. We found that our military aid is providing a major cash infusion to 122 defense production lines in 65 congressional districts across the country that directly benefits American workers — and that doesn’t count all the suppliers that provide these contractors with parts or all the shops, restaurants and other businesses that support the factories rolling out weapons in these districts.

STATE DISTRICTS HOUSE MEMBERS WEAPONS EXAMPLES
Alabama AL-02; AL-03; AL-05 Barry Moore (R); Mike D. Rogers (R); Dale W. Strong (R) M1A1 Abrams tank; Bradley infantry fighting vehicles (M2A4); M88A2 Heavy Equipment Recovery Combat Utility Lifting Evacuation System (Hercules)
Arkansas AR-03; AR-04 Steve Womack (R); Bruce Westerman (R) 155-milimeter artillery components; Army Tactical Missile System (ATACM); Ground Launched Small Diameter Bomb (GLSDB); Patriot Advanced Capability-3 (PAC-3) missile
Florida FL-01; FL-02; FL-08; FL-10; FL-13 Matt Gaetz (R); Neal Dunn (R); Bill Posey (R); Maxwell Frost (D); Anna Paulina Luna (R) AN/TPQ-53; Javelin; High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS) universal launcher; M1A1 Abrams tank; Stryker armored personnel carriers
Georgia GA-05 Nikema Williams (D) Altius-600 unmanned aircraft systems (UAS)
Kentucky KY-06 Andy Barr (R) 155-milimeter artillery components
Louisiana LA-01 Steve Scalise (R) M1117 armored security vehicles
Mississippi MS-01; MS-03 Trent Kelly (R); Michael Guest (R) National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile System (NASAMS) — AN/MPQ-64 Sentinel radar
North Carolina NC-03; NC-04 Greg Murphy (R); Valerie Foushee (D) CyberLux K8 unmanned aircraft systems (UAS); High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS)
Oklahoma OK-02; OK-04 Josh Brecheen (R); Tom Cole (R) M777 howitzer (155-millimeter) parts (Paladin M109A7)
South Carolina SC-02 Joe Wilson (R) M777 howitzer (155-millimeter) parts (Paladin M109A7)
Tennessee TN-01; TN-09 Diana Harshbarger (R); Steve Cohen (D) 155-milimeter artillery components; C-4 explosives
Virginia VA-09 Morgan Griffith (R) 155-milimeter artillery components
West Virginia WV-02 Alex Mooney (R) High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS) rocket motors

A lot of Ukraine aid is going to congressional districts in the South whose members oppose it. For example, Ukraine aid is funding High Mobility Artillery Rocket (HIMARS), Hellfire and Javelin engineering in Rep. Matt Gaetz’s (R) Niceville, Fla., district. It is funding HIMARS launchers and VAMPIRE Counter-Unmanned Aircraft Systems munitions in Rep. Bill Posey’s (R) Melbourne, Fla., district. It is funding HIMARS guidance sets and AN/TPQ-53 radar systems in Rep. Anna Paulina Luna’s (R) Clearwater, Fla., District; HIMARS and Javelin final assembly in Rep. Barry Moore’s (R) Troy, Ala., district; and HIMARS rocket motor production in Rep. Alex Mooney’s (R) Rocket Center, W.Va., district. It is funding production of C-4 explosives for Ukraine in Rep. Diana Harshbarger’s (R) Kingsport, Tenn., district and Joint Direct Attack Munition Extended Range (JDAM-ER) glide bombs in Rep. Josh Brecheen’s (R) Grove, Okla., district.

This despite those members’ opposition to the funding.

STATE DISTRICTS HOUSE MEMBERS WEAPONS EXAMPLES
Illinois IL-12; IL-16 Mike Bost (R); Darin LaHood (R) High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS) engine; 120mm tank ammunition; medium caliber ammunition
Indiana IN-02 Rudy Yakym (R) Armored Humvees (M1152A1)
Iowa IA-01 Mariannette Miller-Meeks (R) 155-milimeter artillery components; M58 Mine Clearing Line Charge systems; mortar rounds
Michigan MI-03; MI-10 Hillary J. Scholten (D); John James (R) M88A2 Heavy Equipment Recovery Combat Utility Lifting Evacuation System (Hercules); M777 howitzer (155-millimeter) parts
Minnesota MN-05 Ilhan Omar (D) Counter-Unmanned Aircraft Systems (c-UAS) ammunition; M777 howitzer (155-millimeter) parts
Missouri MO-03; MO-08 Blaine Luetkemeyer (R); Jason T. Smith (R) MIM-104 Phased Array Tracking Radar to Intercept on Target (Patriot) missile
Nebraska NE-01 Mike Flood (R) Guided Multiple Launch Rocket System (GMLRS)/High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS) launch tubes and launch-pod containers
Ohio OH-01; OH-04 Greg Landsman (D); Jim Jordan (R) M1A1 Abrams tank; Stryker armored personnel carriers
Wisconsin WI-06 Glenn Grothman (R) Mine Resistant Ambush Protected all-terrain vehicles (M-ATV); MaxxPro Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicles

Workers in Rep. Jim Jordan’s (R) Lima, Ohio, congressional district are churning out Abrams tanks and Stryker combat vehicles for Ukraine thanks to the military aid he has opposed.

STATE DISTRICTS HOUSE MEMBERS WEAPONS EXAMPLES
Arizona AZ-07 Raúl Grijalva (D) AGM-88 High-Speed Anti-Radiation Missile (HARM); Javelin; Stinger missile
California CA-02; CA-03; CA-24; CA-25; CA-26; CA-45 Jared Huffman (D); Kevin Kiley (R); Salud Carbajal (D); Raul Ruiz (D); Julia Brownley (D); Michelle Steel (R) National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile System (NASAMS) — AN/MPQ-64 Sentinel radar; Phoenix Ghost unmanned aircraft systems (UAS)
New Mexico NM-02; NM-03 Gabe Vasquez (D); Teresa Leger Fernandez (D) BGM-71 heavy tube-launched, optically tracked, wireless-guided (TOW) missile
Texas TX-05; TX-30; TX-33 Lance Gooden (R); Jasmine Crockett (D); Marc Veasey (D) High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS)/Multiple Launch Rocket System (MLRS) launcher maintenance support 155m artillery metal parts

In Rep. Lance Gooden’s (R) Mesquite, Tex., district, Ukraine aid is also funding a brand-new factory that is expected to produce about 20,000 155mm artillery shells a month and employ at least 125 workers after it comes online this year — despite his vote against the aid.

STATE DISTRICTS HOUSE MEMBERS WEAPONS EXAMPLES
Delaware DE-At-Large Lisa Blunt Rochester (D) Antipersonnel M18A1 Claymore
Maine ME-01 Chellie Pingree (D) MK 19 grenade launcher
Massachusetts MA-06 Seth Moulton (D) Homing All the Way Killer (HAWK) air defense systems; MIM-104 Phased Array Tracking Radar to Intercept on Target (Patriot) missile
New Hampshire NH-01; NH-02 Chris Pappas (D); Ann Kuster (D) Counter-Unmanned Aircraft Systems (c-UAS) AGR-20 laser-guided rocket systems (APKWS)
New Jersey NJ-03; NJ-12 Andy Kim (D); Bonnie Watson Coleman (D) High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS) wheels and tires; AN/TPQ-53 radar
New York NY-19; NY-22 Marcus J. Molinaro (R); Brandon Williams (R) AN/TPQ-53 radar; Ground Launched Small Diameter Bomb (GLSDB); M777 howitzer (155-millimeter) parts (Paladin M109A7)
Pennsylvania PA-01; PA-03; PA-08; PA-10; PA-11; PA-13 Brian Fitzpatrick (R); Dwight Evans (D); Matt Cartwright (D); Scott Perry (R); Lloyd Smucker (R); John Joyce (R) Ground Launched Small Diameter Bomb (GLSDB); MIM-104 Phased Array Tracking Radar to Intercept on Target (Patriot) missile
Vermont VT-AL Becca Balint (D) AIM-9X Sidewinder missile

Rep. Scott Perry’s (R) constituents are producing Bradley infantry fighting vehicles, Bradley fire support team vehicles and Hercules recovery vehicles for Ukraine in his York, Pa., district over his objections. Americans are also making Ground Launched Small Diameter Bombs (GLSDB) and Patriot air defense missiles in Rep. John Joyce’s (R) Letterkenny/Chambersburg, Pa., district, despite his opposition.

Like the previous military aid that Congress has approved, about 80 percent of the new military aid package for Ukraine will go to Americans, CSIS’s Cancian told me — including $23.2 billion to replenish U.S. stockpiles of weapons and equipment we have already provided to Ukraine and $13.8 billion to allow Ukraine to rearm itself through the purchase of weapons and munitions from the U.S. defense industrial base.

In many cases, the weapons being produced are not going to Ukraine at all. Instead, we are sending older versions of the weapons systems to Kyiv from our stockpiles and replacing them with brand-new, more advanced versions — thus using Ukraine aid money to modernize our military. Our aid is restarting production lines for weapons that would otherwise have remained dormant, such as Stinger antiaircraft missiles, which hadn’t been produced since 2005.

For example: The Patriot air defense system, which has been critical to the defense of both Ukraine and Israel. The new Ukraine aid package includes $1.5 billion to increase production of the most advanced PAC-3 Patriot aerial-attack interceptors. In 2018, the United States was building those missiles at an anemic rate of 350 a year. In December, thanks in part to Ukraine aid, that production increased to 500 a year — and the new aid package will increase it to 650. Rep. Bruce Westerman (R), whose Camden, Ark., district produces the most advanced of these interceptors, has a mixed record on Ukraine aid — voting against aid in 2022 but for it in 2023.

The new aid package includes $5.3 billion to reach the Army’s goal producing 100,000 155mm artillery rounds per month — money that will benefit factories receiving Ukraine aid for this purpose in Scranton, Wilkes-Barre and Bristol, Pa.; Camden, Ark.; Kingsport and Cordova, Tenn.; Middletown, Iowa; Coachella, Calif.; and Mesquite, Tex.

It includes $550 million to produce Guided Multiple Launch Rocket Systems (GMLRS) which are currently being built in Camden, Ark., Lincoln, Neb., and Springboro, Ohio.

It includes $348 million to produced TOW antitank guided missiles which are already being manufactured with Ukraine aid in Diné and Farmington, N.M, and Tucson, Ariz., and $227 million to produce Javelin antitank missiles with existing production lines in Farmington, N.M.; Orlando; Tucson, Ariz.; and Troy, Ala., as well as funding for many other critical weapons systems.

These investments will help protect Ukrainian civilians from Russian aggression, while strengthening America’s defenses so we are prepared to deter future adversaries.

Opinion | Ukraine Aid Benefits These Congressional Districts - The Washington Post

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 20 April 2024

This brilliant article was a few days before the vote, so it's basing their objection on older bills, I would be very interested to see how Republicans in those districts voted on todays bill, bunch of fucking idiots, do they hate providing jobs for their districts or something? 👀 This is something Democrats should be hammering more though, it feels a bit shitty to have to say it...That the war actually benefits their districts and benefits America but it may be the only way some Republicans fucking listen.