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Wasn't this John Mearsheimer moron posted near the start of this thread? Lol.



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The White House has issued a blunt warning that the US will run out of funds to aid Ukraine by the end of the year, saying Russian battlefield gains were more likely unless Congress approved new money for Kyiv.

"Without congressional action, by the end of the year we will run out of resources to procure more weapons and equipment for Ukraine and to provide equipment from US military stocks," Young wrote to political leaders of both parties.

"There is no magical pot of funding available to meet this moment. We are out of money — and nearly out of time," she said.

Some lawmakers — especially in the Senate, where backing for Ukraine runs deeper — are trying to negotiate a bipartisan deal that would contain aid for Kyiv alongside new immigration and asylum procedures to reduce the number of undocumented people arriving in the US through its southern border.

Even if an agreement is reached in the Senate, however, it is unclear if it can pass the Republican-led House, whose new speaker Mike Johnson has been sceptical of funding for Ukraine.

US Funding For Ukraine Set To Run Out By End of The Year, White House Warns

There is no change on Orbans stance even after the EU freed up some money of the frozen EU funds to Hungary.

Hungary's Orban Demands Ukraine's EU Membership Be Taken Off The Agenda At a Bloc Summit | AP News

Article 7 on Hungary now.



Senators Race to Save Faltering Border-Ukraine Negotiations - POLITICO

One year into efforts to boost production of artillery rounds for Ukraine, the United States and Europe are seeing radically different results.

The U.S. has increased its output of 155mm shells far faster than it originally forecasted, and plans to increase it further—if Congress can pass a budget for the nearly two-month-old fiscal year. Europe has moved more slowly than it intended to, hampered by the consensus-focused nature of NATO and the EU.

And in a twist that belies Europe's reputation for state-owned businesses, its dilemma is set by market conditions, while U.S. progress is made possible by state-control of ammo manufacturing.

It's a "a bit of a chicken-and-egg question," said Estonian Defense Minister Hanno Pevkur during a recent visit to Washington, D.C. Industry officials, Pevkur said, say, "'Please give us contracts and then we can produce' and then we say that, you know, 'There is a clear demand. Just start to increase your production'."

On the U.S. side, production doubled within a year of launching a crash production program, largely because the Army owns the facilities that make the shells.

In Europe

The countries of the European Union began with a head start, producing about 230,000 155mm shells a year—about one-third more than the U.S. The EU also has a better recent record for approving annual spending plans.

By February 2023, European production was at 300,000 rounds annually, according to Estonian defense officials. By November, capacity had risen again, though assessments differ. European Commissioner for the Internal Market Thierry Breton suggested that Europe could now make some 400,000 rounds annually. Estonia's Pevkur, speaking at a November media roundtable, put the figure between 600,000 and 700,000—and said it would reach one million rounds in 2024.

In March, the EU announced it would spend 2 billion euros ($2.2 billion) to send one million 155mm shells to Ukraine within a year. The money is split between paying countries to send stockpiled shells to Ukraine and acquiring new shells from EU members and Norway under a joint procurement scheme.

But the EU will not meet its goal this year, German Defence Minister Boris Pistorius confirmed recently. In September, Estonian defense official Kusti Salm said the plan would likely be fulfilled by mid-2024.

And in the long term, Pevkur said, even more shells will be required—to backfill stocks, support NATO regional plans, and keep Ukraine in the fight.

"My estimation is that we have to produce in the next ten years around 3 million rounds in a year," the Estonian minister said.

NATO

NATO, whose own procurement agency is also pursuing the acquisition of more 155mm rounds, is finding that prices have quadrupled.

In October, NATO's senior military officer, Adm. Rob Bauer, said that the price for one 155mm shell had risen from 2,000 euros ($2,171) at the start of Russia's full-scale invasion to 8,000 euros ($8,489.60).

For comparison, the U.S. currently pays $3,000 for its most modern shells, according to an Army spokesperson. That price includes the charge, fuze, and shell body.

Unlike the U.S., European 155mm production is primarily in the hands of the commercial market. That means that European countries can incentivize production increases through purchases, but cannot order factories to invest in automation, double shifts, or build new plants, as the U.S. has.

In Race To Make Artillery Shells, US, EU See Different Results - Defense One



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Disgusting Regime Welcomes Disgusting Regime.

In First, Russia Jails 2 Soldiers for ‘Failure to Prevent’ Ukrainian Strike – Kommersant - The Moscow Times



Pistorius also said that the EU's goal of delivering one million rounds of artillery ammunition by March 2024 would not be met and that he warned of this "very early on because I saw that this number would probably  not be reached."

Pistorius promised that there would be improvements "in the next few months," and Germany would deliver almost 200,000 rounds of ammunition to Ukraine.

Pistorius: Arms Industry Increasing Capacity, Germany Delivers 'What It Can'

Office of Public Affairs | Four Russia-Affiliated Military Personnel Charged with War Crimes in Connection with Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine | United States Department of Justice



Republicans in House & Senate are the lowest form of scum and Europe still has its pants down, I hate to say it but Putin has the edge right now in a battle of wills and motivation, Russia is in full scale production meanwhile Europe is scrambling and unwilling to do what is necessary to stop Russia if it makes them slightly uncomfortable and Republicans in America are more interested in being evil bastards to those at home, oh and giving Israel whatever it asks for to kill more children.



I guess this is a highlight of a major weakness of democracy itself, as the West doesn't seem to be able to look at the big picture that reaches beyond the next elections. Letting Russia win this war seems like it would be a major strategic blunder in the long term - but sure, not a problem for anyone other than Ukraine in the short term.