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Ryuu96 said:

It has been suggested that a "Korean scenario" is possible in case of a ceasefire between Russia and Ukraine. North Korea has never shelled Seoul since 1953 despite the short distance between South Korea's capital and the border.

But the reason is that North Korea was completely dependent on the Soviet Union then, and is completely dependent on China now. The Soviet Union did not want to continue the war on the Korean peninsula in 1953, and China has not wanted the new war there, as yet. Nor does North Korea itself want a real war, for now.

With the comparison to the Korean War, you’ve also got to take into account all of the conditions that lead to the ceasefire there. Yes, there was broadly a stalemate on the frontline. For one thing, it seems talks had been ongoing for two years, Koreans, North and South, generally don’t hate each other and crucially, the Stalin had just died leaving the Soviet leadership more interested in their own power struggles.

Bar potentially the last happening at some point with Putin, you probably aren’t going to recreate those circumstances in Ukraine.



That's great, now lets rebuy their hundreds of Challenger 1 tanks which they're replacing.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 13 November 2023

SecondWar said:
Ryuu96 said:

It has been suggested that a "Korean scenario" is possible in case of a ceasefire between Russia and Ukraine. North Korea has never shelled Seoul since 1953 despite the short distance between South Korea's capital and the border.

But the reason is that North Korea was completely dependent on the Soviet Union then, and is completely dependent on China now. The Soviet Union did not want to continue the war on the Korean peninsula in 1953, and China has not wanted the new war there, as yet. Nor does North Korea itself want a real war, for now.

With the comparison to the Korean War, you’ve also got to take into account all of the conditions that lead to the ceasefire there. Yes, there was broadly a stalemate on the frontline. For one thing, it seems talks had been ongoing for two years, Koreans, North and South, generally don’t hate each other and crucially, the Stalin had just died leaving the Soviet leadership more interested in their own power struggles.

Bar potentially the last happening at some point with Putin, you probably aren’t going to recreate those circumstances in Ukraine.

'Panicked' Russia Pulls Warships From Crimea: Report (msn.com)

Ukrainian partisans on Monday claimed that many of the warships in Russia's Black Sea Fleet have departed from their home port in Crimea following recent attacks by Kyiv's military.

Atesh, a military movement of Ukrainians and Crimean Tatars, posted the claim on Telegram, where they described a "real panic" among Russian President Vladimir Putin's naval fleet.

Spokespersons for Atesh also commented about the fleeing warships to the Kyiv Post, and the newspaper called the operation with the vessels a "systematic exodus" from the Black Sea Fleet's home port of Sevastopol. Newsweek could not independently verify the reported movements of Russian ships from the area, and the Russian Ministry of Defense was contacted via email on Tuesday.

The Atesh report regarding the fleet comes after Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky's forces have increased attacks on Russian targets in Crimea, which has served as a strategic hub for Moscow since Putin launched his of Ukraine in February 2022.

Since the start of the war, Kyiv's cruise missile and drone attacks have damaged at least 17 Russian vessels that have either been part of or functioning in cooperation with the Black Sea Fleet. This includes a strike earlier this month on a newly constructed small warship, named the Askold, which was docked in the Crimean city of Kerch.

The Ukrainian Air Force also unleashed cruise missile attack in September that resulted in the destruction of a Black Sea Fleet headquarters building in Sevastopol.

Dmytro Pletenchuk, a spokesman of the Ukrainian Naval Forces, told a Ukrainian television station in September that Russia had recently been observed relocating ships from the Black Sea to the Azov Sea. Open-source naval observers in October also recorded Russian warships moving out of Sevastopol using satellite images.

According to Atesh representatives who spoke to the Kyiv Post, Black Sea Fleet warships have continued moving out of the region to the point where most may now be gone. A port in Novorossiysk, a city in Russia's Kuban region, is now thought to the location of many of these vessels.

In its Telegram message, the Atesh movement said its agents had "managed to record the transfer of enemy ships" from Crimea to Novorossiysk.

"This is being done due to successful missile attacks by Ukrainian forces on the Russian fleet," the Atesh movement wrote on Telegram.

The group added: "There is a real panic in the enemy ranks. The enemy realizes that new attacks on their fleet are coming and is trying to save them. But they won't succeed!"

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Several Russian soldiers explained how the Ukrainian Armed Forces gained a foothold on the left bank of the Dnipro River in Kherson Oblast by opening up about the Battle of Krynky to BBC journalists.

"Yes, they (Ukrainians) are on our side (of the river). They have entrenched themselves in the Krynky area. There are definitely about 500 Ukrainians there," said soldiers from one of the occupiers' battalions," one of the Russian soldiers told the BBC.

They claim that before capturing Krynky, several Ukrainian reconnaissance groups traveled along the occupied Dnipro riverbank in Gazelles and Zhigulis, dressed in Russian military, firefighter, or Emergency Service worker uniforms.

"They approached our positions almost closely. While our people were watching, they took them all down," a Russian soldiers told the BBC.
The occupiers claim that after this, Ukrainian infantry crossed the Dnipro and entered Krynky through the forest.

"On Oct. 19, 20, and 21, we were hit hard here. But then they sent us Marines, and we survived only thanks to that. I didn't see any tanks here; they were pushing them from the other side, and around Antonivka, they were firing. But they did capture several of our vehicles," said one of the soldiers of the occupation army.

According to the occupiers, Ukrainian forces also used and continue to use boats that can travel at a speed of 100 km/h. In the fall, in thick fog, they are difficult to track. Additionally, during the battles on the left bank of the Dnipro, the Ukrainian Armed Forces allegedly used a helicopter that flew very low and fired on Russian positions with unguided missiles, then flew back.

"Several people have already been captured. Our commander disappeared with all his deputies. We are in quite a jam here."

"Two of our battalions were wiped out overnight. Ukrainians have entrenched themselves on our side in the Krynky area, and so far, we can't knock them out."

"We are on duty 24/7 without replacements. Plus, everyone is afraid," the Russian soldiers told journalists.

The occupiers lost several hundred military personnel on the left bank of the Dnipro, BBC sources report.

"From our battalion, 26 people remain; in the first battalion — 24, in the second battalion — 27, in the third one — a little over 20... Each had about a hundred," one of the Russian artillerymen told the BBC.

Dnipro frontline insights: BBC exclusive on Russian soldiers’ defeat / The New Voice of Ukraine (nv.ua)

France is on course to have trained 7,000 Ukrainians this year — some in Poland, others at French bases — as part of a European Union military assistance mission for Ukraine that launched a year ago this week. The French army granted The Associated Press access to a training base in rural France last week to observe the latest class of Ukrainian infantrymen being put through its paces at the tail end of a four-week course.

The EU mission's initial goal was to train 15,000 soldiers, but it has far exceeded that target and now expects to hit 35,000 by the end of this year. All but three of the EU's 27 member countries, plus non-member Norway, have provided training courses or instructors, the EU Commission says.

The United States has trained about 18,000, mostly in Germany, with an additional 1,000 in the pipeline, the Pentagon says.

In Britain, 30,000 have learned soldiering in the past 17 months, a training program the U.K. government says is unprecedented since World War II.

As well as basic training with weapons, battlefield first aid and other skills, instructors are also imparting specialized military know-how, ranging from clearing mines and launching waterborne attacks aboard small boats to equipment repair, officer training and even help for Ukrainian military chaplains.

Because of French military concerns for the base's security, the officer, Lt. Col. Even, could only be identified by his rank and first name.

"One can clearly see in Ukraine that the front line is relatively frozen, with two belligerents who employ very similar doctrines," he said. "So today, one of the keys being sought in an attempt to break this inertia is to try to develop maneuvering schemes that can bother and even shake up the adversary."

Military training efforts for Ukraine hit major milestones | AP News

"Since the beginning of its full-scale military invasion in Ukraine, Russian authorities have pursued a strategy that sought to preserve a sense of normalcy in Russian society and convince the population that the invasion would not have any repercussions on safety," it said.

"However, just as the Russian-Chechen wars ultimately resulted in militant attacks on Moscow and other cities in the early 2000s, Russia's invasion of Ukraine has spilled over deep into Russian territory, undermining the government's promises."

In its report, ACLED pointed to "other, less visible, effects" that are likely to impact security in Russia in the long run, including pro-Ukrainian partisan groups, easier access to weapons, and the intensification of state violence against anti-war voices.

It claimed security in Russia was "unravelling from within".



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It's interesting that they have this ready to go nevertheless, even if it was a mistake in posting it.

Must be feeling the pressure.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 15 November 2023

Really a major accomplishment, Russia's Black Sea threat has almost vanished.



The EU’s goal to supply Ukraine with 1m rounds of ammunition will not be reached, the German defence minister, Boris Pistorius, has said as member states meet in Brussels to discuss how to increase supplies.

“It is safe to assume that the 1m rounds will not be reached,” he told reporters arriving at the summit of defence ministers.

The EU’s chief diplomat, Josep Borrell, said the target involved stockpiles and new production but one of the issues was “40% of the production is being exported” outside the bloc.

He said ministers would be scrutinising how to boost supply to Ukraine, with one option to work on how to shift production earmarked for export back to Ukraine.

The Guardian

Sigh.

Russia cancels New Year celebrations in occupied Crimea and bans fireworks in parts of Russia | Ukrainska Pravda

The Ukrainian government has awarded Rheinmetall a contract for Leopard 1 systems, including 25 main battle tanks Leopard 1A5, five armoured recovery vehicles (Bergepanzer 2) and two driver training tanks. The order, financed by Germany and worth a figure in the upper-two-digit million-euro range, also includes training, logistics, spare parts, maintenance and other support services.

Delivery is due to take place in 2024. The Leopard 1 systems are currently being overhauled and readied for use at Rheinmetall’s plants in Unterlüß and Kassel.

Rheinmetall supplies Ukraine with Leopard 1 systems | Rheinmetall

Some Guardian Reports

Top German journalist received €600,000 from Putin ally, leak reveals | Germany | The Guardian

Cyprus to clamp down as investigation reveals oligarchs moved assets after Ukraine invasion | Cyprus | The Guardian

PwC Cyprus moved £1bn for Russian tycoon on day he was put under sanctions | Business | The Guardian



Denmark could block Russian oil tankers from reaching markets (ft.com)

A report in the Wall Street Journal has said that Ukrainian marines were reinforcing positions in three villages on the eastern bank of the Dnipro river, including armoured Humvees and at least one infantry-fighting vehicle, and had cut off one road that Russians used to resupply troops in the area.

Ukraine Seeks to Reignite Counteroffensive With Daring River Crossings - WSJ

The EU has proposed banning the export of machine tools and machinery parts that Russia uses to make weapons targeting Ukraine

Russia Sanctions: EU Takes Aim at Key Machine Exports to Russia in New Sanctions - Bloomberg

Only almost 2 years later.



The EU has reached a deal to send Ukraine 1 million rounds of ammunition within the next 12 months. 

MARCH 20, 2023

300,000 rounds have been shipped since February 9th.

NOVEMBER 14, 2023