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Ryuu96 on 21 May 2023
CaptainExplosion said:
Ryuu96 said:

Russia's imperialism never left. We simply ignored it, a lot of us tried too hard to cater to Putin, we tried to bring him with us, some of us thought we could change him, some of us simply didn't care. We turned a blind eye to Transnistria, to Georgia, to Chechnya, to Crimea, we mostly let them off the hook for their atrocities in Syria and their blatant and dangerous assassinations on British soil using Novichok.

Putin has always been a monster and those surrounding him, they've always been bloodthirsty assholes but we let them off the hook, it ain't even like they tried to hide it but we kept giving Russia chance after chance until now. Like Russia threatening Britain ain't anything new either, it has been going on for years now, so I'm glad we're finally giving them a middle finger to fuck off and I'm embarrassed by the British citizens who want to bend over backwards for Russia.

I don't think Russia will change even after this but whatever, they can be a social pariah, they can be on their own, as long as Ukraine wins is all I care about, and we can get Ukraine into NATO and Russia will never threaten them again because they're cowards against NATO and we can ensure with sanctions they never get a military capability to be a threat to any neighbours in the long term.

Then Russians are just as untrustworthy as before and nothing will change that? That's what it looks like to me.

Imo. Yeah.

If they lose the war then they'll run back to Russia with their tail between their legs, a few people will be killed and changes to government will be made, I have zero faith that Putin will be replaced since it seems everyone is terrified of him. I have zero faith the Russian public will demand change since they seem as placated as North Koreans.

They'll be some fall guys, Putin will blame some people, they'll blame the West and say that NATO was involved in Ukraine and that's why they lost, they'll say they need to become the strongest military on Earth because of evil NATO and double down on that, they'll triple down on their nationalism, Russia vs The World. That is why the sanctions need to remain even after this war ends.

Look at what it took to get Germany and Japan to change, a complete and utter defeat in every aspect. America crushed Japan militarily, economically and emotionally and then occupied Japan after WW2 to reform and rebuild them. Germany the same, except they were divided into four (British, French, American, Soviet).

Nothing like that can happen for Russia and I don't think it should because it would require us getting directly involved, all we need is for Ukraine to win and likely a DMZ between Ukraine and Russia then to get Ukraine into NATO. Russia can then become a larger North Korea and fuck off, unable to threaten anyone near their borders again.

Sanctions Imo shouldn't even be started to be lifted until Putin steps down and only if the next leader expresses genuine condolences and efforts to try to help rebuild Ukraine (its sadly going to take like 10-20 years at least to rebuild Ukraine) but considering the shit that Putin is surrounded by, I don't see that happening, so they can stay in economic ruin.

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Storm Shadow Again.



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Asked by a journalist whether he agrees with the statement of the Russian Foreign Ministry about the "colossal risks" associated with the supply of F-16s to Ukraine, Biden said: "For them, yes."

Dark Brandon is the Best Brandon.

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Girkin says the Bakhmut battle was unnecessary and turned out to be Phyrric (longread). He notes that all Russian forces are now exhausted while trying to achieve at least some sort of victory for propaganda purposes, and Ukraine is now in a position to deal several strikes where it wants, most likely to be met by weak Russian resistance.

Classic Girkin Dooming.

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⚡️The Third Assault Brigade continues to knock out the occupiers from positions near Bakhmut!

1730 m in length, and in depth - another 700 m of territory cleared from the enemy.

When trying to regain the positions previously retaken by Ukrainian fighters, units of the 72nd Brigade of the russian Armed Forces were defeated - smashed to pieces.

Only during yesterday's battles, 23 occupiers were destroyed, and more than 40 became "three hundred" [🤕]. Enemy equipment, including tanks, was also eliminated.

The task was completed by the soldiers of the 2nd Assault Battalion [of the 3rd Assault Brigade].

We confidently move forward, successfully repelling enemy attacks," — the Brigade wrote."

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The unannounced attendance of Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskiy at the G-7 summit has unnerved the Brazilian delegation, which now feels pressure to accept an invitation for a face-to-face meeting with President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, according to Brazilian officials.

Lula, who is also attending the Group of Seven summit in Japan as an invited guest, is still on the fence about a meeting with Zelenskiy, said the officials, who asked not to be identified discussing private information. 

Zelenskiy’s Surprise G-7 Stop Unnerves Critical Brazilian Leader - Bloomberg

Volodymyr Zelenskiy and President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva of Brazil failed to hold one-on-one talks while attending a summit in Japan, even as Ukraine seeks to engage countries in the Global South on taking a harder line against Russia for its war.

“I met almost everyone, all the leaders. All of them have their own schedules, that is why we couldn’t meet with the Brazilian president,” the Ukrainian president told reporters on Sunday in Hiroshima at a briefing on the sidelines of the Group of Seven meeting. Asked if he was disappointed, Zelenskiy replied: “I think it disappointed him.”

Zelenskiy's Plan to Meet Brazil's Lula at G-7 Summit Falls Through - Bloomberg

Lula really fucking sucks.