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Russia can be driven from Ukraine, but victory over this murderous regime ends only when the murderers are thrown before courts for prosecution. For that, regime change is needed in Russia.

While he didn’t live to see it, hopefully Gorbachev’s dream of a world without nuclear weapons is realized once this regime is gone.

How likely is this? Some are suggesting that Russian conscripts will rebel and overthrow the regime like in World War 1… the problem is they probably read a Wikipedia article or heard some YouTuber tell a very inaccurate story of the events of the Russian revolution. They got many of the details wrong or left out. The situation in current Russia is not close to the same as I the state of Russia in the revolutionary years.

WW1 was far from the only cause of the fall of the Czardom.

The Russian Empire had been fracturing for a century, terrorist groups and violent protests breaking out during the 1800s and up to the world war. World War 1 just intensified the stress: a land of suffering, women running households and supporting the Russian army at home, their husbands dying abroad.

1917, the middle of winter. Food was running out in St. Petersburg, and so the Czarist government implemented rationing of scraps. The February Revolution didn’t break out among the conscripts, but starving and desperate women struggling to get through hours and hours of lines just to get scraps of bread, oats, and potatoes. Strikes broke out across the city, and they quickly turned violent. The garrisoning troops, began abandoning and joining the protesters. What happened in Russia then is more akin to what’s happening in Iran today, rather than what’s happening in Russia today.

The Czar abdicated as a result of the chaos that erupted. Would Putin do the same?
Either way, the provisional government took over: not any better than the Czar.
They eventually made a deal to rule alongside the Communists, but this was unsatisfactory.

It was in October that the Communists rebelled. A five year civil war followed, and unscrupulous leaders murdered and destroyed their opponents in what ways they could. Millions died, tens of millions suffered.

The difference today is that if history repeats itself there are thousands of nuclear weapons at play. Think of those in the hands of unscrupulous rogue commanders. We’ve seen what ISIS did with hammers, AK47s, and homemade bombs.

The best thing to do is hope for sanity to come to Russia. Sanity and a sense of justice. That those ordering and executing the atrocities are thrown into the prisons they deserve to be in. But that’s just the beginning. The only way to end the nuclear threat to Ukraine, permanently, is to end it across the world… and that includes convincing North Korea.

Last edited by Jumpin - on 10 October 2022

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I saw this article from the Kyiv independent citing Forbes estimating the cost of Russian strikes on Oct 10 to be between $400 and $700 million. This level of spending to target only civilian and civilian infrastructure which provide absolutely zero opportunity on the battlefield can only be described as a terrorist act. It's a real shame that anyone in the G7 as yet to officially recognize Russia as such. A shame that Estonia, which do share a border with Russia, as more 'balls' then the US, France, Germany, Italy, UK, Canada and Japan. 

Still this will only strengthen Ukrainian solidarity and troops moral, boost international support and add another nail in the coffin of Russia relations with ally such as China.

This means either :

Putin fully comprehend this and it means he knows he is losing and can't do anything about it so he throw a tamper tantrum lashing out a everything he can before he cannot anymore.

or

Putin really thinks those attacks further his goal, which only suggest he has completely loss touch with reality.



EpicRandy said:

I saw this article from the Kyiv independent citing Forbes estimating the cost of Russian strikes on Oct 10 to be between $400 and $700 million. This level of spending to target only civilian and civilian infrastructure which provide absolutely zero opportunity on the battlefield can only be described as a terrorist act. It's a real shame that anyone in the G7 as yet to officially recognize Russia as such. A shame that Estonia, which do share a border with Russia, as more 'balls' then the US, France, Germany, Italy, UK, Canada and Japan. 

Still this will only strengthen Ukrainian solidarity and troops moral, boost international support and add another nail in the coffin of Russia relations with ally such as China.

This means either :

Putin fully comprehend this and it means he knows he is losing and can't do anything about it so he throw a tamper tantrum lashing out a everything he can before he cannot anymore.

or

Putin really thinks those attacks further his goal, which only suggest he has completely loss touch with reality.

While Estonia has some balls for saying that. They don't have enough balls to put their men on the line for the defense of Ukraine. All other non nuclear states in eastern Europe could be helping Ukraine right now and ending this war sooner. But none of them have the balls to do it.

The G7 could call them a terrorist state, and if they did then Russia would end up like NK. A much more dangerous NK, with thousands more nukes in corrupt hands. I imagine Russia being like NK and lobbing missiles over Hawaii and Alaskan islands.







Ryuu96 said:

Probably another reason why Lukashenko wouldn't dare invade Ukraine, he's scared of Poland. If Belarus tried anything I could see Poland do a lot of sabre rattling on the Belarusian border because throughout this entire war it has felt like the only thing holding Poland back is them being in NATO, Lol. They hate Russia and Belarus with a passion.

They wouldn't even waste energy sending in an army, just the football hooligans and these blokes lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxAYAu5aHlU