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SecondWar said:
shavenferret said:

WTF, distracting from the epstein issue or unraveling before our eyes? Trump is planning on mobilizing national guard in 19 out of 50 states........ fvck ...... starting to hope he quietly passes away - sooner than later

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/national-guard-mobilizing-19-states-immigration-crime-crackdown

Out of curiosity, how many of those states are considered Democrat states?

have no idea....... i know that DC votes Dem almost all of the time and it started with that. 

ok.....  Looking this up.

Red States- Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Idaho, Iowa (voted Red in last 5/7 presidential elections so can call either Red or possibly a swing state as well), Luisiana, Nebraska, Ohio, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tenessee, Texas, Utah, Wyoming

Swing States-  Georgia, Nevada, 

Blue States- New Mexico (close to being a swing state but i'd still call it blue), Virginia (can call it a swing or "purple" state but it has voted blue in most recent elections), 

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I guess that Trump is sending the troops out to only red states, and so won't be judged as harshly as if he sent them to say California.   



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SecondWar said:
shavenferret said:

WTF, distracting from the epstein issue or unraveling before our eyes? Trump is planning on mobilizing national guard in 19 out of 50 states........ fvck ...... starting to hope he quietly passes away - sooner than later

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/national-guard-mobilizing-19-states-immigration-crime-crackdown

Out of curiosity, how many of those states are considered Democrat states?

This particular deployment is mostly Republican, 1,700 spread across 19 states isn't much at all, that's about 89 per state, Lol. So this particular deployment is likely entirely for photo ops. They're saving the big deployments for Democrat States though, there was 2000 alone in LA (who again, did fuck all except piss people off even more).

There are currently hundreds in Washington, a bit concerning for a President to deploy soldiers in Washington for obvious reasons, but thus far they too are doing fuck all and have been deployed in Washington's safest areas, Lol. Now he is threatening to go after Chicago and New York in the same way as LA. The Republican States will be for photo ops but the Democrat States he is clearly trying to goad a reaction.

It's obvious Stephen Miller and Trump want to take proper control over America but don't yet know how to get there.



“I didn’t say the Russians gave in on everything. But they conceded that Ukraine will preserve its territorial integrity after the war. They admitted they cannot install a puppet regime in Kyiv, which was their main demand at the start," Vance added.

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— NOELREPORTS (@noelreports.com) 24 August 2025 at 15:20

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

The concession is that Russia admitted they don't have the ability to rig Ukraine's elections after the war, is that a concession or is it just the reality? How the fuck is Russia meant to install a puppet regime at this point when more than 80% of Ukraine's population fucking despises Russia now? Lmfao. It's a concession to admit they can't rig another countries elections?

"Oh no, I have to make a concession, the concession is that we won't take Kyiv anymore 🤡"

Yeah, no shit, because they fucking can't anymore! They literally don't have the military capability right now! 😂

And a pinkie promise that Ukraine can preserve its territorial integrity after the war, like the Budapest Memorandum. 🤡

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Ryuu96 said:

“I didn’t say the Russians gave in on everything. But they conceded that Ukraine will preserve its territorial integrity after the war. They admitted they cannot install a puppet regime in Kyiv, which was their main demand at the start," Vance added.

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— NOELREPORTS (@noelreports.com) 24 August 2025 at 15:20

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

The concession is that Russia admitted they don't have the ability to rig Ukraine's elections after the war, is that a concession or is it just the reality? How the fuck is Russia meant to install a puppet regime at this point when more than 80% of Ukraine's population fucking despises Russia now? Lmfao. It's a concession to admit they can't rig another countries elections?

"Oh no, I have to make a concession, the concession is that we won't take Kyiv anymore 🤡"

Yeah, no shit, because they fucking can't anymore! They literally don't have the military capability right now! 😂

And a pinkie promise that Ukraine can preserve its territorial integrity after the war, like the Budapest Memorandum. 🤡

It sounds like the Russians know that they don't have as strong of a hand as previously, but still want a deal to be made.         

And yeah, the unfairness of their demands is very bad.  They have deserved every bad thing that has come to their nation.



Russia still refuses to even allow western military troops to be inside of Ukraine post-war, that alone should be enough to show this dumb fucker that Russia's "concession" is horseshit, they want to continue but they don't want pesky Western soldiers getting in the way of their bullets. They're aiming for a Budapest Memorandum 2.0, a vague piece of paper promising shit but having ultimately no consequences for breaking it. Let countries give vague promises of "support" if Ukraine is attacked again, Russia "promises" their territorial integrity, then they break it again when they replenish their military. If they were serious about Ukraine's "territorial integrity" they would be accepting of Western troops inside of Ukraine to ensure it happens considering they've broken their commitments multiple times before.

Pointless and vague promises, words are not concessions, like Trump's stupid as fuck administration believes, an actual concession would be something like Russia leaving an entire Oblast as a show of good faith and that would be the fucking bare minimum and they can't even get that, can't even get Russia to leave Kherson or Zaporizhia and they don't even control the capitals of those two Oblasts! Something we can physically see in action, not Russia making the exact same fucking promise they made 20+ years ago which they broke!

According to Trump's admin, a concession is Russia keeping everything they've stolen (20%-ish of Ukraine), having sanctions partially lifted, not allowing Ukraine in NATO, not having American troops in Ukraine, but at least Russia "promised" to not be a dickhead again in the future, they're making such a hard concession, a concession of words!

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shavenferret said:
Ryuu96 said:

“I didn’t say the Russians gave in on everything. But they conceded that Ukraine will preserve its territorial integrity after the war. They admitted they cannot install a puppet regime in Kyiv, which was their main demand at the start," Vance added.

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— NOELREPORTS (@noelreports.com) 24 August 2025 at 15:20

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

The concession is that Russia admitted they don't have the ability to rig Ukraine's elections after the war, is that a concession or is it just the reality? How the fuck is Russia meant to install a puppet regime at this point when more than 80% of Ukraine's population fucking despises Russia now? Lmfao. It's a concession to admit they can't rig another countries elections?

"Oh no, I have to make a concession, the concession is that we won't take Kyiv anymore 🤡"

Yeah, no shit, because they fucking can't anymore! They literally don't have the military capability right now! 😂

And a pinkie promise that Ukraine can preserve its territorial integrity after the war, like the Budapest Memorandum. 🤡

It sounds like the Russians know that they don't have as strong of a hand as previously, but still want a deal to be made.         

And yeah, the unfairness of their demands is very bad.  They have deserved every bad thing that has come to their nation.

Imagine a cop telling you the dude who stole from you and murdered half your family is making a concession that he won't steal any more from you or murder any more of your family and the cops like "Welp, I did a brilliant job, got a significant concession out of this serial killer. Job well done to me I think" Lmao. That's the Trump admin.



US Vice President Vance said President Trump has applied more economic pressure on Russia to stop the war than Biden did in three years, including secondary tariffs on India to limit Russian oil profits.

— WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated.bsky.social) 24 August 2025 at 16:01

?????

The secondary tariffs on India are the ONLY thing they've done? Lol. The rest of the sanctions have simply been a continuation of Biden's already issued sanctions, I don't recall Trump admin issuing any NEW sanctions? And India is seemingly the only country being targeted, for some reason they refuse to tariff China over it.

Why are they avoiding China but targeting only India? Idk.

Literally a month ago: Lack of New U.S. Sanctions Allows Restricted Goods and Funds Into Russia

The only NEW sanction/tariff that Trump has applied is the one on India, Lol. So it's complete horseshit that he has done more than Biden.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 24 August 2025

How come Zelenskyy wins Presidential but Zaluzhnyi wins Parliament? I'm assuming that would be because Zaluzhnyi is a military officer and they believe he would be better suited to the battlefield, or the opposite and it's that there's a bit of caution about electing a military official to run the country, that perhaps political diplomacy is better left to the politicians.

Interesting polling either way, and it shows that no matter what, Ukraine will almost certainly be electing an anti-Russia party, all those idiots screaming for Ukraine to have elections during war, when the most likely candidate to beat Zelenskyy is a military officer who directly fought against Russia, Lmao. If they thought Zelenskyy was being too "mean" to Russia then wait until a military general who has fought Russia and very likely has lost many close military friends to Russia is elected as the next President of Ukraine.

It's funnier that "Party of Zaluzhnyi" and "Party of Budanov" aren't even actual things that exist and yet they have 22% and 7% support respectively, these are both guys who firmly anti-Russia and heavily involved in killing Russians so it shows where Ukrainians mindset is. Budanov has 5% support in Presidential polling, Lol, I really doubt he cares for the position though.

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Im guessing by ‘Party of Zaluzhnyi’ is means the party whose ticket Zalunzhnyi chooses to stand on.



shavenferret said:
Ryuu96 said:

“I didn’t say the Russians gave in on everything. But they conceded that Ukraine will preserve its territorial integrity after the war. They admitted they cannot install a puppet regime in Kyiv, which was their main demand at the start," Vance added.

[image or embed]

— NOELREPORTS (@noelreports.com) 24 August 2025 at 15:20

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

The concession is that Russia admitted they don't have the ability to rig Ukraine's elections after the war, is that a concession or is it just the reality? How the fuck is Russia meant to install a puppet regime at this point when more than 80% of Ukraine's population fucking despises Russia now? Lmfao. It's a concession to admit they can't rig another countries elections?

"Oh no, I have to make a concession, the concession is that we won't take Kyiv anymore 🤡"

Yeah, no shit, because they fucking can't anymore! They literally don't have the military capability right now! 😂

And a pinkie promise that Ukraine can preserve its territorial integrity after the war, like the Budapest Memorandum. 🤡

It sounds like the Russians know that they don't have as strong of a hand as previously, but still want a deal to be made.         

And yeah, the unfairness of their demands is very bad.  They have deserved every bad thing that has come to their nation.

I think they know that by now they have mostly trash hands but still manage to bluff their way through the game of war. But with the Russian economy starting to crumble and inflation starting to get really bad, I think they feel they are on borrowed time and between a massive rock and a hard place: They can't end the war without gaining what they're asking for (as it would cause both uproar in Russia and strongly diminish their international standing as a greater power, plus potential future weapon exports would certainly be much fewer if they pulled out), but they can't go on for much longer like this (economy getting more and more out of control, as does the inflation despite all the actions from the kremlin to counter those and the bailouts of war-critical companies, plus signup bonuses to become soldiers are rising higher and higher, showing that it's getting harder and harder to find volunteers for the war, plus of course their increasing lack of military hardware), so Putin is just happy to have some fool in the oval office that takes everything he says at face value and still has the Soviet Union at it's prime in the back of his head when talking about what Russia could do to get a chance at receiving what they want despite not being able to get it otherwise.