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Ryuu96 said:

Get ready for oil prices to soar and thus help Russia recover from the brink of economic collapse.

I’m feeling its highly likely that the Strait of Hormuz will now be blockaded.



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Ryuu96 said:

Get ready for oil prices to soar and thus help Russia recover from the brink of economic collapse.

It just feels like everything is going in the wrong direction atm...



Doesn't help when Europe will never stop being America's dog.



If Russia really wanted to help Iran they could easily strategically place Russian troops in key areas of Iran and then Trump wouldn't dare to attack Iran anymore, he would piss his pants like he has done against any form of direct confrontation with Russia (verbal or militarily) but obviously Russia wouldn't do that because they need their troops to die in Ukraine.



If things continue to escalate with Iran could America put pressure on the other NATO members to support them in some way? If so could that support then be used as leverage for the US to improve their support in Ukraine?

Not that this would justify what the US is doing, just trying to find a silver lining...



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Biggerboat1 said:

If things continue to escalate with Iran could America put pressure on the other NATO members to support them in some way? If so could that support then be used as leverage for the US to improve their support in Ukraine?

Not that this would justify what the US is doing, just trying to find a silver lining...

No, Trump is terrified of Putin, it's more likely that Europe abandons Ukraine to go help America destroy the Middle-East some more than America actually helping Ukraine. Thankfully Article 5 of NATO only applies if a countries territory is attacked, so American bases being bombed if it comes to that won't count for Article 5. Not that Europe needs an excuse like that to go rushing to America's aid though despite America making it very clear they don't give a fuck about us.

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Biggerboat1 said:

.. could America put pressure on the other NATO members to support them in some way? 

No, that is impossible by NATO law. Well they can try but nothing will come out of it.



So just terrible all round then, great.



Biggerboat1 said:

So just terrible all round then, great.

The only "negative for Russia" thing I could say is that Iran is about to be yet another Russian ally that Russia is not going to lift a finger to help and completely abandon, following Assad/Syria last year, and their own CSTO ally Armenia, Russia continually abandoning allies is not going to be good for them in the long term, it's going to isolate them further.

Doesn't really help Ukraine at all right now though, the only major thing Iran supplies Russia is drones and artillery, the latter Iran doesn't need for Israel and the former is something Russia produces domestically now and likely in numbers which exceeds Iran's own capability, they don't need Iran for the drones anymore. Meanwhile Europe's attention may end up being split between Ukraine/Middle-East if things escalate because Europe is dumb as fuck and if Iran closes the strait then oil prices will soar which will hugely benefit Russia.

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Ryuu96 said:
Biggerboat1 said:

So just terrible all round then, great.

The only "negative for Russia" thing I could say is that Iran is about to be yet another Russian ally that Russia is not going to lift a finger to help and completely abandon, following Assad/Syria last year, and their own CSTO ally Armenia, Russia continually abandoning allies is not going to be good for them in the long term, it's going to isolate them further.

Doesn't really help Ukraine at all right now though, the only major thing Iran supplies Russia is drones and artillery, the latter Iran doesn't need for Israel and the former is something Russia produces domestically now and likely in numbers which exceeds Iran's own capability, they don't need Iran for the drones anymore. Meanwhile Europe's attention may end up being split between Ukraine/Middle-East if things escalate because Europe is dumb as fuck and if Iran closes the strait then oil prices will soar which will hugely benefit Russia.

I'm hearing a few commentators say that blocking the straight would also stop Iran from exporting their oil to China which is a key part of their income.

I guess balancing the books will go out the window though if Iran's regime thinks that the conflict has become existential.

We can only hope that some form of negotiations re-emerge, but I get the impression that Israel doesn't want any deescalation and they seem to completely have Trump's number.