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🇩🇪🇺🇦 "The goal is clear": Pistorius called on partners to strengthen Ukraine's defense industry.

❗️He said that Ukraine's partners should strengthen not only AFU with weapons, but also country's defense industry. This is in the interests of NATO.

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— MAKS 24 👀🇺🇦 (@maks23.bsky.social) 12 February 2025 at 20:15

‼️ This looks like forcing Ukraine into a "preventive capitulation". This is how one European diplomat from NATO compared the change in US policy, writes Euractiv.

This is his reaction to the statement of Hegseth that Ukraine's membership in the Alliance is not realistic.

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— MAKS 24 👀🇺🇦 (@maks23.bsky.social) 12 February 2025 at 20:24

Several NATO diplomats were unpleasantly surprised that such statements were made even before the start of peace talks on Ukraine.

— MAKS 24 👀🇺🇦 (@maks23.bsky.social) 12 February 2025 at 20:24

Meanwhile in Russia: state TV host Evgeny Popov says that Trump is doing Moscow's job by ripping apart the Western world — whipsawing right through it, the way Russia always wanted to. Popov says that it's truly amazing.
youtu.be/JG29upm5HPE

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— Julia Davis (@juliadavisnews.bsky.social) 12 February 2025 at 19:52



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Europe should forget about buying American for the future now, maybe for Ukraine only if the option even still remains but for our own militaries we need to have a strict focus on Europe made. America is a liability and it's too risky to place our trust in them now and if America wants to act this way, be isolationist, then lets hit them where it hurts; In their MIC.

Our entire armies should be European focused, European Jets only, European Tanks only, European IFVs only, etc. No American shit in sight, it would also help to boost our own military defence industries and really scale them up when all European countries are buying from each other only. Send all the American shit to Ukraine and replace it with European.

Canada can join us. No one should be buying American at this stage, the differences are negligible as well, America's thing may be slightly better than this European counterpart but Russia is significantly behind them both, so an argument on quality is ultimately irrelevant, this is about European security now and European unity, which America doesn't want to be apart of.



🇪🇺🇺🇦 WEIMAR+ nations (France, Germany, Poland, Italy, Spain, UK & EU) reaffirm support for Ukraine’s sovereignty & security. They commit to aiding Ukraine until a just, lasting peace is reached—one that protects both Ukraine & Europe. Ukraine must negotiate from a position of strength.

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— NOELREPORTS (@noelreports.com) 12 February 2025 at 22:44


🚨 Trump called it an "interesting question" when asked if Ukraine is an equal party in the peace process.

Reporter: "Do you see Ukraine as an equal participant?"
Trump: "Mmm, that’s an interesting question. I think they’ll have to make peace. People are being killed, it’s a bad war."

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— NOELREPORTS (@noelreports.com) 12 February 2025 at 22:57


Ryuu96 said:

Europe needs to wake the fuck up, America isn't an ally to us anymore, when will we learn? Fucking wake up already! Largely speaking to Western Europe; UK, France and Germany, I think France already realises this and they've been screaming at Europe for years to wake up but Germany and UK still have their heads stuck in the sand.

Don't you worry! France might just join the gang after the next election and in fact go even further by siding with Russia!

More seriously though, I guess we Europeans really don't regard the US as highly as before: 'Respondents are more likely to call the US merely a “necessary partner” rather than an “ally”.' Source: https://ecfr.eu/publication/transatlantic-twilight-european-public-opinion-and-the-long-shadow-of-trump/

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