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Forums - Sales Discussion - PS2 shipments over 158.6m, breaking down missing fiscal data.

Farsala on 20 December 2023
Phenomajp13 said:
Zippy6 said:

The 525.3m figure is sell-through as of July 2nd 2018 at the same time they announced 81.2m sell-through for PS4. As PS1/PS3 are dead we can treat shipped as sell-through and just subtract there totals.

So subtract PS4 and we get 444.1m for PS1+PS2+PS3+PSP+Vita.

PS1 was 102.4m lifetime, subtract that: 341.7m for PS2+PS3+PSP+Vita

PS3 sold 87.4m lifetime (or very slightly over) subtract that: 254.3m for PS2+PSP+Vita

Now this is the 3 consoles we don't have close to lifetime figures left but subtract VGC figures for PSP/Vita for July 7th 2018 and...

254.3m minus 81.09m for PSP = 173.21m
173.21m minus 15.79m for Vita = 157.42m

157.42m for PS2 is too low. We know that PS2 numbers must have been over 158.51m from my calculations in the OP, the alternative method counting back from PS3 figures shown in this post: PS2 shipments over 158.6m, breaking down missing fiscal data. (vgchartz.com) prove the PS2 sales must be at a minimum over 158.29m and likely quite a bit higher unless PS3 went from 3.1m in FY14 to nothing in FY15.

So it's clear that the lifetime figures for PS2 on here are too low, and that the figures for PSP+Vita as of July 2nd 2018 are too high.

PSP at end of FY11 (March 31st 2012) = 76.4m
FY12 = 7m for PSP & Vita combined
FY13 = 4.1m for PSP & Vita Combined
FY14 =  3.3m for PSP & Vita Combined
FY15 = ??? for Vita (PSP discontinued)

if PSP sold 81.09m lifetime than Vita had shipped 9.71m by March 31st 2015, but VGC has Vita figures at 11.04m for March 28th 2015.

So I think the majority of PS2's missing sales are coming from the Vita being overtracked. VGC numbers for PSP/VITA are not in-line with Sony's portable shipment numbers.

So Vita and/or PSP are overtracked, PS2 is undertracked.

"254.3m minus 81.09m for PSP = 173.21m
173.21m minus 15.79m for Vita = 157.42m"

This needs updating, we have a 82.5 million figure for PSP. 254.3 minus 82.5 for PSP = 171.8

171.8 minus 15.79 for Vita = 156.01 for PS2

So now we are going to see people all of a sudden tear Vita down to make PS2 as high as possible.

If Vita sold the same as WiiU (13.5 million?) then that puts PS2 at 158.3 million. If PS2 reached 160 million, Vita sold less than 12 million.

Psp is guaranteed to be 82.5m by 26th of september 2014. That means Vita guaranteed to ship 8.3m by March 2015. The rest is still hard to calculate.

Official trackers have the Vita selling more than 10.8m from the major markets. Graph via Hiska-kun.

Regardless my original estimate for Ps2 is ~159m in December 2021. That makes Vita 13m it seems. But the 525.3m is sold July 2nd 2018 and the Vita was still being sold/shipped in  2018 and 2019 and Media Create has the Vita higher than the ones in the graph, so there is still a lot of room for both Vita to outsell the Wii U and for Ps2 to sell 159m.

Last edited by Farsala - on 20 December 2023