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Shadow1980 said:

It's hard to make any definitive statements on the state of the sales race between PS & Xbox for this generation because it's still more of a supply issue than a demand issue. But once the chip shortages are over and the Series X|S starts to really benefit from MS's various acquisitions, I think we should see a very close race in the U.S., Canada, UK, and other Xbox-friendly markets. It wouldn't even surprise me if the Series X|S squeaked out a narrow victory in the U.S.

*Edited for clarification.

Anecdotally I doubt there's a shortage for Series S, at least in the UK.. where it has been readily available from multiple retailers since launch; in online and in stores.

Should be interesting in the US/UK once stock levels are improved since Series X is the console that most people want (from Xbox).



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kirby007 said:
padib said:

I just realized that the X360 was the 3rd all-time best-selling console in the US, right under the DS and the PS2. Impressive.

Blame @d21lewis for buying 8

 And those were just the toilet/ bathroom consoles.



hinch said:
Shadow1980 said:

It's hard to make any definitive statements on the state of the sales race between PS & Xbox for this generation because it's still more of a supply issue than a demand issue. But once the chip shortages are over and the Series X|S starts to really benefit from MS's various acquisitions, I think we should see a very close race in the U.S., Canada, UK, and other Xbox-friendly markets. It wouldn't even surprise me if the Series X|S squeaked out a narrow victory in the U.S.

*Edited for clarification.

Anecdotally I doubt there's a shortage for Series S, at least in the UK.. where it has been readily available from multiple retailers since launch; in online and in stores.

Should be interesting in the US/UK once stock levels are improved since Series X is the console that most people want (from Xbox).

Series S is now also readily available in Canada, Series X, PS5 and PS5 digital are not. I've never seen a ps5 digital anywhere, do they exist?



SvennoJ said:
hinch said:

Anecdotally I doubt there's a shortage for Series S, at least in the UK.. where it has been readily available from multiple retailers since launch; in online and in stores.

Should be interesting in the US/UK once stock levels are improved since Series X is the console that most people want (from Xbox).

Series S is now also readily available in Canada, Series X, PS5 and PS5 digital are not. I've never seen a ps5 digital anywhere, do they exist?

MS might have had higher expectations for the S model, hence why there's an abundance of stock. Maybe they'll try produce more X models to try meet demand.

No idea, not checked.. but they (both models) go out of stock pretty much within minutes of a restock :P



kirby007 said:
padib said:

I just realized that the X360 was the 3rd all-time best-selling console in the US, right under the DS and the PS2. Impressive.

Blame @d12lewis for buying 8

Fake news. I only had THREE Xbox 360s and 7 (total) Xbox One consoles.

The misinformation... Smh.



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super_etecoon said:
kirby007 said:

Blame @d12lewis for buying 8

I do think more than any console in history that the 360 benefitted from hardware failure as a means to achieve these phenomenal numbers.  The PS2 certainly had its hiccups at launch but the RROD continued throughout the generation.  And we Americans, having grown up on American cars that always break down but that we still love and continue buying, were primed to repeat purchase the 360 umpteen times.  I'm not trying for trolling or flamebait here.  So many people in my personal world were on their 4th Xbox360 and had no problem going back to the store to buy another.  It was almost like something you just had to do. The machine and its games were that compelling to this audience.

A lot of the reasons I heard from some was that what are they going to do with the library of games they had? Selling them to like a game stop for like $2 was a bigger lost than buying the copetition and starting over. withing my circle everyone I knew that double dip never whent for a third time. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. 



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eva01beserk said:
super_etecoon said:

I do think more than any console in history that the 360 benefitted from hardware failure as a means to achieve these phenomenal numbers.  The PS2 certainly had its hiccups at launch but the RROD continued throughout the generation.  And we Americans, having grown up on American cars that always break down but that we still love and continue buying, were primed to repeat purchase the 360 umpteen times.  I'm not trying for trolling or flamebait here.  So many people in my personal world were on their 4th Xbox360 and had no problem going back to the store to buy another.  It was almost like something you just had to do. The machine and its games were that compelling to this audience.

A lot of the reasons I heard from some was that what are they going to do with the library of games they had? Selling them to like a game stop for like $2 was a bigger lost than buying the copetition and starting over. withing my circle everyone I knew that double dip never whent for a third time. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. 

Yes…I definitely understand the impulse. The 360 had a great library. And it had the best online infrastructure. Not only was it where all your games were, but also your friends. 



super_etecoon said:
kirby007 said:

Blame @d12lewis for buying 8

I do think more than any console in history that the 360 benefitted from hardware failure as a means to achieve these phenomenal numbers.  The PS2 certainly had its hiccups at launch but the RROD continued throughout the generation.  And we Americans, having grown up on American cars that always break down but that we still love and continue buying, were primed to repeat purchase the 360 umpteen times.  I'm not trying for trolling or flamebait here.  So many people in my personal world were on their 4th Xbox360 and had no problem going back to the store to buy another.  It was almost like something you just had to do. The machine and its games were that compelling to this audience.

I can't cosign on this one. I'm sure several people bought several 360s but before the 360, I was a Sony and Nintendo fan. I've said it before but the PS1 was made of potato chips and the PS2 was made of ramen noodles! It was the first time in my gaming life that I ever had a console just break on me. My PS1 eventually had to be turned upside down to play and then the "spindle" (I think that's the right word) just...fell off. The PS2 was even worse with the dreaded Disc Read Error. It was so bad that Sony actually settled a class action lawsuit. Google it! Anecdotal but I think everybody had to buy a second PS2. We just didn't know it was faulty.

It's one of the major reasons why I got an Xbox 360 in the first place. I said "I'm not paying $600 for a console that's going to break!". I got a 360 instead and, almost exactly one year later, it broke! I did get a PS3 a few months later and, five years later it broke too. The difference is that it was common knowledge that Microsoft repaired the console if you called them. Repairs didn't count as sales.

The 360 was, in my opinion, just the superior machine. Online was better. Services were better. Games mostly ran better. And it was cheaper much of the generation. Many said that we Americans were just loyal to the American console but, on paper, it was just a better buy. Nobody was a Microsoft fan or an Xbox fan when the gen started. They just did so much stuff right that gamers took notice.



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d21lewis said:
super_etecoon said:

I do think more than any console in history that the 360 benefitted from hardware failure as a means to achieve these phenomenal numbers.  The PS2 certainly had its hiccups at launch but the RROD continued throughout the generation.  And we Americans, having grown up on American cars that always break down but that we still love and continue buying, were primed to repeat purchase the 360 umpteen times.  I'm not trying for trolling or flamebait here.  So many people in my personal world were on their 4th Xbox360 and had no problem going back to the store to buy another.  It was almost like something you just had to do. The machine and its games were that compelling to this audience.

I can't cosign on this one. I'm sure several people bought several 360s but before the 360, I was a Sony and Nintendo fan. I've said it before but the PS1 was made of potato chips and the PS2 was made of ramen noodles! It was the first time in my gaming life that I ever had a console just break on me. My PS1 eventually had to be turned upside down to play and then the "spindle" (I think that's the right word) just...fell off. The PS2 was even worse with the dreaded Disc Read Error. It was so bad that Sony actually settled a class action lawsuit. Google it! Anecdotal but I think everybody had to buy a second PS2. We just didn't know it was faulty.

It's one of the major reasons why I got an Xbox 360 in the first place. I said "I'm not paying $600 for a console that's going to break!". I got a 360 instead and, almost exactly one year later, it broke! I did get a PS3 a few months later and, five years later it broke too. The difference is that it was common knowledge that Microsoft repaired the console if you called them. Repairs didn't count as sales.

The 360 was, in my opinion, just the superior machine. Online was better. Services were better. Games mostly ran better. And it was cheaper much of the generation. Many said that we Americans were just loyal to the American console but, on paper, it was just a better buy. Nobody was a Microsoft fan or an Xbox fan when the gen started. They just did so much stuff right that gamers took notice.

I agree about the PS2. I worked at a video store and all 6 of our rental machines that I personally acquired were giving disk read errors and scratching disks within weeks of launch. They still made us money because those systems were in such demand. But I do feel that with later models the PS2 resolved its problems, whereas the 360 never did. 



super_etecoon said:
d21lewis said:

I can't cosign on this one. I'm sure several people bought several 360s but before the 360, I was a Sony and Nintendo fan. I've said it before but the PS1 was made of potato chips and the PS2 was made of ramen noodles! It was the first time in my gaming life that I ever had a console just break on me. My PS1 eventually had to be turned upside down to play and then the "spindle" (I think that's the right word) just...fell off. The PS2 was even worse with the dreaded Disc Read Error. It was so bad that Sony actually settled a class action lawsuit. Google it! Anecdotal but I think everybody had to buy a second PS2. We just didn't know it was faulty.

It's one of the major reasons why I got an Xbox 360 in the first place. I said "I'm not paying $600 for a console that's going to break!". I got a 360 instead and, almost exactly one year later, it broke! I did get a PS3 a few months later and, five years later it broke too. The difference is that it was common knowledge that Microsoft repaired the console if you called them. Repairs didn't count as sales.

The 360 was, in my opinion, just the superior machine. Online was better. Services were better. Games mostly ran better. And it was cheaper much of the generation. Many said that we Americans were just loyal to the American console but, on paper, it was just a better buy. Nobody was a Microsoft fan or an Xbox fan when the gen started. They just did so much stuff right that gamers took notice.

I agree about the PS2. I worked at a video store and all 6 of our rental machines that I personally acquired were giving disk read errors and scratching disks within weeks of launch. They still made us money because those systems were in such demand. But I do feel that with later models the PS2 resolved its problems, whereas the 360 never did. 

After several iterations, the 360.actually did become pretty reliable (whenever the "Jasper" chipset came out.  Around the end of 2010, I think). And yeah, the PS2 slim was a beast! 

Unfortunately, much of that goodwill was squandered with the Xbox One. Still hoping Microsoft learned from their mistakes and that, by the time supply catches up with demand, they're a worthy competitor again.



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