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DonFerrari said:
sethnintendo said:

My argument is that just because a drug is legal doesn't mean shit and that legal drugs can be just as bad or worse than illegal drugs.

Your argument is ridiculous because my point is to avoid people that can put you in trouble by being with them. Being around people that do crack have a high risk of you going to jail together when police bust the group while you helping your grandma that use a lot of legal drugs won't give you these problems.

Bad analogy is bad analogy.

What if your grandma was high on Oxycontin and driving around which results in her plowing into a bunch of people?



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sethnintendo said:
DonFerrari said:

Your argument is ridiculous because my point is to avoid people that can put you in trouble by being with them. Being around people that do crack have a high risk of you going to jail together when police bust the group while you helping your grandma that use a lot of legal drugs won't give you these problems.

Bad analogy is bad analogy.

What if your grandma was high on Oxycontin and driving around which results in her plowing into a bunch of people?

I wouldn't let my grandma drive while high on oxycontin. I would drive for her.

If she was drunk and kill someone I would be accessory on the murder. Under brazilian traffic law if you are a licensed driver and is a passenger on a car a drunk person is driving you are liable.



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DonFerrari said:
sethnintendo said:

What if your grandma was high on Oxycontin and driving around which results in her plowing into a bunch of people?

I wouldn't let my grandma drive while high on oxycontin. I would drive for her.

If she was drunk and kill someone I would be accessory on the murder. Under brazilian traffic law if you are a licensed driver and is a passenger on a car a drunk person is driving you are liable.

Well seems your laws are more strict that USA.  Anyways, it was a bad analogy but the facts remain that doctors are as much drug pushers as the local drug dealer.  Now that they are finally cracking down in USA the people that were addicted to opioid prescription drugs are turning to heroin which they started mixing with fentanyl.  Drug companies and some doctors are the main cause of the entire opioid epidemic that has been plaguing the USA the past decade or so.  They used to hand them out like candy and now they only realize how much destruction they have caused.



sethnintendo said:
DonFerrari said:

I wouldn't let my grandma drive while high on oxycontin. I would drive for her.

If she was drunk and kill someone I would be accessory on the murder. Under brazilian traffic law if you are a licensed driver and is a passenger on a car a drunk person is driving you are liable.

Well seems your laws are more strict that USA.  Anyways, it was a bad analogy but the facts remain that doctors are as much drug pushers as the local drug dealer.  Now that they are finally cracking down in USA the people that were addicted to opioid prescription drugs are turning to heroin which they started mixing with fentanyl.  Drug companies and some doctors are the main cause of the entire opioid epidemic that has been plaguing the USA the past decade or so.  They used to hand them out like candy and now they only realize how much destruction they have caused.

I guess you are missing my point.

Legal drugs addiction is bad as well, and people can die because of it. I would counsel a friend or relative using them but would keep close. On ilegal drugs or anything else that could put ME in jail I would put distance. I don't see a point in keeping close to someone that could drag you down.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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DonFerrari said:
sethnintendo said:

Well seems your laws are more strict that USA.  Anyways, it was a bad analogy but the facts remain that doctors are as much drug pushers as the local drug dealer.  Now that they are finally cracking down in USA the people that were addicted to opioid prescription drugs are turning to heroin which they started mixing with fentanyl.  Drug companies and some doctors are the main cause of the entire opioid epidemic that has been plaguing the USA the past decade or so.  They used to hand them out like candy and now they only realize how much destruction they have caused.

I guess you are missing my point.

Legal drugs addiction is bad as well, and people can die because of it. I would counsel a friend or relative using them but would keep close. On ilegal drugs or anything else that could put ME in jail I would put distance. I don't see a point in keeping close to someone that could drag you down.

Laws in Brazil must be very strict indeed. And it seems people in Brazil have a different opinion of drug use in general. I live in the US, and when it comes to drug laws, things are fairly mild. Not as mild as I think they should be, but in most cases, you will not go to jail at all for a first offense for a drug-related charge, unless you are found to be a major supplier. Also, being around someone who is using drugs is not illegal, either.

When found to be using drugs, there are options provided in many states that provide a way to rehabilitate instead of go to jail.

I think this is because drugs in the US aren't considered to be as "bad" as people in Brazil may think they are. Our minds are all a product of the influences and experiences that make us who we are, and the influence Brazil has had on you has resulted in you distancing yourself from trouble, which can be a good thing.



RaptorChrist said:
DonFerrari said:

I guess you are missing my point.

Legal drugs addiction is bad as well, and people can die because of it. I would counsel a friend or relative using them but would keep close. On ilegal drugs or anything else that could put ME in jail I would put distance. I don't see a point in keeping close to someone that could drag you down.

Laws in Brazil must be very strict indeed. And it seems people in Brazil have a different opinion of drug use in general. I live in the US, and when it comes to drug laws, things are fairly mild. Not as mild as I think they should be, but in most cases, you will not go to jail at all for a first offense for a drug-related charge, unless you are found to be a major supplier. Also, being around someone who is using drugs is not illegal, either.

When found to be using drugs, there are options provided in many states that provide a way to rehabilitate instead of go to jail.

I think this is because drugs in the US aren't considered to be as "bad" as people in Brazil may think they are. Our minds are all a product of the influences and experiences that make us who we are, and the influence Brazil has had on you has resulted in you distancing yourself from trouble, which can be a good thing.

Law in Brazil isn't strong or harsh enough (even more when talking about how it is applied).

We are having a big struggle between freedom to consume and total ban, I would say it is very polarized at the moment.

Users rarely go to jail, they at most will lose their drug. There is a quantity depending of the drug that makes it considered for consumption or resale.

It isn't illegal to be near someone using drugs. But more likely than not a group with a lot of heavy users can be framed by the police and you being around can be considered accessory so why risk yourself?

Yes there is rehab. But to drive under influence is a felony besides being against the traffic law. So if you are sober, have a license but allowed someone under influence to drive you are guilty (so fine and lose of points or even license) of it even if there is no incident and just a police officer made your car pull over and tested the driver. If someone was killed by the driver under influence it could go much worse.

Ignoring we have a 0 alcohol policy (so even a licor chocolate would be considered driving under influence), why would you being sober allow someone stone drunk to drive the car and perhaps get you killed in an accident?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:

Law in Brazil isn't strong or harsh enough (even more when talking about how it is applied).

We are having a big struggle between freedom to consume and total ban, I would say it is very polarized at the moment.

Users rarely go to jail, they at most will lose their drug. There is a quantity depending of the drug that makes it considered for consumption or resale.

It isn't illegal to be near someone using drugs. But more likely than not a group with a lot of heavy users can be framed by the police and you being around can be considered accessory so why risk yourself?

Yes there is rehab. But to drive under influence is a felony besides being against the traffic law. So if you are sober, have a license but allowed someone under influence to drive you are guilty (so fine and lose of points or even license) of it even if there is no incident and just a police officer made your car pull over and tested the driver. If someone was killed by the driver under influence it could go much worse.

Ignoring we have a 0 alcohol policy (so even a licor chocolate would be considered driving under influence), why would you being sober allow someone stone drunk to drive the car and perhaps get you killed in an accident?

Your country's laws on driving under the influence seem much more strict than what we have. I don't think a DUI (driving under the influence) is considered a felony in the US. We also don't have a zero tolerance policy unless the person drinking is under the legal age. This all probably depends on the area you live, but at least where I live (near Chicago, IL), the legal limit is 0.08% alcohol present in the blood, which is commonly equated to one drink per hour.

Hopefully neither of us finds themself in a situation like the one you described, but any time you choose to hop in the car, you are always at risk of being the victim of a drunk driver in another vehicle.



RaptorChrist said:
DonFerrari said:

Law in Brazil isn't strong or harsh enough (even more when talking about how it is applied).

We are having a big struggle between freedom to consume and total ban, I would say it is very polarized at the moment.

Users rarely go to jail, they at most will lose their drug. There is a quantity depending of the drug that makes it considered for consumption or resale.

It isn't illegal to be near someone using drugs. But more likely than not a group with a lot of heavy users can be framed by the police and you being around can be considered accessory so why risk yourself?

Yes there is rehab. But to drive under influence is a felony besides being against the traffic law. So if you are sober, have a license but allowed someone under influence to drive you are guilty (so fine and lose of points or even license) of it even if there is no incident and just a police officer made your car pull over and tested the driver. If someone was killed by the driver under influence it could go much worse.

Ignoring we have a 0 alcohol policy (so even a licor chocolate would be considered driving under influence), why would you being sober allow someone stone drunk to drive the car and perhaps get you killed in an accident?

Your country's laws on driving under the influence seem much more strict than what we have. I don't think a DUI (driving under the influence) is considered a felony in the US. We also don't have a zero tolerance policy unless the person drinking is under the legal age. This all probably depends on the area you live, but at least where I live (near Chicago, IL), the legal limit is 0.08% alcohol present in the blood, which is commonly equated to one drink per hour.

Hopefully neither of us finds themself in a situation like the one you described, but any time you choose to hop in the car, you are always at risk of being the victim of a drunk driver in another vehicle.

Yes our law is very strict, to the point of being ludicrous.

And yes let's hope we never get a drunken driver crashing on us. And of course it is quite easy to say to someone very drunken that you aren't going to tag along as passenger. But to lose your license because someone had a licor chocolate and you didn't know....



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."