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COKTOE said:
Pyro as Bill said:

Because they're easy to beat if you know how.

Just been done one out of 4 times though eh? Doesn't seem too easy. But you have a lockdown on what should have happened for PS to fail in every scenario in the past, and hopefully, in the future. Fantastic.

A company of Nintendo's size can't fight Microsoft and Sony's strengths ie tech. They have to fight asymmetrically and once they realised that they destroyed the global tech giants with a Wiimote and 2 screens. 250m+.

Here we are years later and spinny optical disks are dead and 'cartridge-like' tech is the only physical medium we use. Walkman is non-existent. Stationary PCs are dying yet Mario keeps trucking on and Pikachu is getting his own movie.

Edit: Do you know what's never been done? Beating a portable Nintendo console. It's MS and Sony that need to worry about the increasing power of smart devices not Nintendo. Every modern phone can run 90% of Nintendo's back catalog. Bluetooth controllers turn every device into a 'Switch' yet Nintendo is still sitting pretty. Stronger than ever in fact.

Last edited by Pyro as Bill - on 24 February 2019

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Don't Play Stationary 4 ever. Switch!

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Pyro as Bill said:
COKTOE said:

I didn't read the OP because I don't respect your opinion on consoles.

Sounds like you're regretting that Switch > PS4 bet we made.

It was an iffy bet on my part, and I have it fully documented, including the fact I made it, more or less, just to make it. At least it's interesting. I have called out numerous posts for bets over the years. and have never had a taker. Only the most terrible. Because: Back up your insanity. I haven't forgotten. If you win, I'll be gone for good as a bonus.



- "If you have the heart of a true winner, you can always get more pissed off than some other asshole."

COKTOE said:
Pyro as Bill said:

Sounds like you're regretting that Switch > PS4 bet we made.

It was an iffy bet on my part, and I have it fully documented, including the fact I made it, more or less, just to make it. At least it's interesting. I have called out numerous posts for bets over the years. and have never had a taker. Only the most terrible. Because: Back up your insanity. I haven't forgotten. If you win, I'll be gone for good as a bonus.

You made it because you thought it was an easy win.



Nov 2016 - NES outsells PS1 (JP)

Don't Play Stationary 4 ever. Switch!

This thread ... too much semantics to get into the subject. (Buisness as a whole ? Console only ? Do we include handhelds too ? IP's strengh ?)



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This may be one of the most confusing topics I've read on this forum.
It's written as if it's 'Part 2' of a series of threads, and I'm expected to have read the first one to understand the context of this one.
You barely ever explain any of your reasoning anywhere in your post, promoting me to have to ask you to clarify a very large number of comments you made, before I can even begin to understand what you're saying.
So please next time, explain why you think the way you do.

Pyro as Bill said: 

Nintendo is PS-ing Sony (low end tech + low end 3rd parties), while MS PC/360's them (high tech-high end 3rd parties). MS builds their console around what 3rd parties want. Now they can build hardware based on what the King of First Party want.

What do you mean by low-end tech and low-end third parties?
Are you talking about PS4 Pro vs Xbox One X? 
First of all, one console being weaker than the other is not the same as 'low-end'. Each PS4 and XBO model has been designed around the higher end of the spectrum for home consoles.
And are you ignoring that for the base models the situation was the other way around? They make up the vast majority of the market, and every game is designed around the base models. They can't (won't) make games purely designed for Pro/X that won't run on the base models, because that would be idiotic.

Secondly, why would Microsoft build their consoles the way Nintendo want?
Are you assuming that Xbox will get Nintendo's first party games or something? 
And what does building hardware based on Nintendo mean? A portable device that's substantially weaker to its competition than Xbox One is compared to Playstation 4?

I have no idea what you're talking about. Please explain.

Pyro as Bill said: 
Sony needs to find a 3rd way, like DS and Wii did, but they wont/can't. VR and streaming is too niche.

Again, can you please explain why? It's not apparent anywhere in your post.
The only thing you determined was that Sony 'won't beat' MS + Nintendo.

Since when does not beating = bankruptcy? Or whatever it is you're implying that would force them to find another way. Because you do mention them going bankrupt at the bottom of your post.

Pyro as Bill said: 
 "Nintendo should go 3rd party" is going to be shown up as being one of the dumbest comments ever made. It's Sony/MS who 'need to go 3rd party' to survive the inevitable outcome of the console wars.

Which is...?
Again, you're not explaining anything.
And at least the "Nintendo should go 3rd party" comments were based on an actual ongoing situation where Nintendo struggled to find a market for their console.
What is "It's Sony/MS who need to go 3rd party" based on?

Pyro as Bill said: 
Nintendo has embraced a business model/strategy that would end MS/Sony yet Nintendo is thriving. Switch is going to be a NES/GB/PS1/Wii/DS level phenomenon, possibly much bigger. People forget we're still on WiiU ports. This is reminiscent of the consolisation that led to C64 ports on the NES or the big PC games appearing on DS.

We're still on WiiU ports as opposed to...? New Switch games? Because there are plenty of those as well.
Or do you mean ports from PS4? Those do exist as well, but they're not very common, primarily due to technical reasons.
And that won't get better when PS5/XB2 come out, and third party games are even more demanding.

Pyro as Bill said: 
MS is smart enough to realise how powerful Nintendo is and has already bent the knee. Content is King not graphics or framerate. Graphics and framerate is what stopped CoD from becoming Fortnite. If CoD would have supported Wii as much as 360/PS3, the graphics downgrade might have let them stumble across Fortnite like Epic did but that's the price you pay. A (PC) mod led to the biggest game ever. (See Minecraft, Wii Sports, Pokemon).

I assume you're referring to the rumor about Xbox Live games on Switch? Microsoft want their games everywhere, not just on Switch or for any particular reason. They said so.
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2018-03-15-microsoft-were-growing-our-gaming-business-beyond-the-console

But what's the correlation between CoD and Fortnite?
Fortnite is a free to play Battle Royale game. PUBG is also a Battle Royale style game. Call of Duty games were never designed that way, until the most recent one.
Apex Legends would be a much better comparison. It's a Battle Royale game but with gameplay similar to CoD. It's free to play and it's doing amazingly.
CoD would not have become Fortnite if they supported Wii as much as 360/PS3 because it's a completely different style of game.

And they had a ton of Call of Duty games on Wii for that matter.
Five different Call of Duty games.

CoD 3
CoD 4 Modern Warefare
CoD World at War
CoD Black Ops
CoD Modern Warefare 3

Basically every single one that was released on PS3 before WiiU came out.
Except for one. Call of Duty Modern Warefare 2.

So forget the other five. If only they had released that sixth CoD game, it would have blown up and become a 'Fortnite' phenomenon?

Again, I have no idea how you came to this conclusion. Please elaborate?

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Pyro as Bill said:
COKTOE said:

It was an iffy bet on my part, and I have it fully documented, including the fact I made it, more or less, just to make it. At least it's interesting. I have called out numerous posts for bets over the years. and have never had a taker. Only the most terrible. Because: Back up your insanity. I haven't forgotten. If you win, I'll be gone for good as a bonus.

You made it because you thought it was an easy win.

Keep your nose clean though, eh? The outcome is an eon away. We're in different universes on VGC. You're a cunt hair away from a permaban. I could post a thread on the positive aspects of Nazi child porn and get a warning.



- "If you have the heart of a true winner, you can always get more pissed off than some other asshole."

COKTOE said:
Pyro as Bill said:

You made it because you thought it was an easy win.

Keep your nose clean though, eh? The outcome is an eon away. We're in different universes on VGC. You're a cunt hair away from a permaban. I could post a thread on the positive aspects of Nazi child porn and get a warning.

Genuinely lol'd at that!



Eh, this just feels like a needless way to pit people against each other. It would have been an easier topic to let ride if it wasn't presented in such a manner.