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DonFerrari on 18 December 2018
zorg1000 said:
DonFerrari said:

I'm certainly on it.

You have to prove "you can be taken seriously".

What humor is in offending other members of the site?

And did you made with the same kind of remarks and adjectives you took with Intrisic? Have gone to look other posts to make fun? Called them any names for making a prediction that doesn't seem likely? Or just said it "looked too high"?

Because I have seem more than just debating here.

You must be mistaking me with others, I didnt pull up anyone's older posts, someone else did that and I dont recall calling anyone names in this thread. On top of that the person never responded after I said their numbers looked high so the discussion ended then and there.

Next time get your facts straight before trying to call people out.

It's funny that people are quick to band together against someone, but don't call each other on what is abusive during the banding.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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Jranation on 18 December 2018
3sexty said:
Alright here's what I think. There is no way Switch is going to reach anything greater than 60 million on the basis that within a couple of years we will have far more powerful consoles on the market at competitive prices and fans will quickly learn that the Switch won't be the go to for everyday gaming. It will howwever be relegated to a hand held device but that will have its limitations as mobile gaming on smart phones will have achieved incredible advances by that stage. The decline will be sudden and unexpected.. Mark my word... The perceived power deficiency will become a factor sooner than later.

You Dont Know the Power of Pokemon, Monster Hunter and Animal Crossing. 

 

YOU DONT KNOW! 



Pocky Lover Boy! 

zorg1000 on 18 December 2018
DonFerrari said:
zorg1000 said:

You must be mistaking me with others, I didnt pull up anyone's older posts, someone else did that and I dont recall calling anyone names in this thread. On top of that the person never responded after I said their numbers looked high so the discussion ended then and there.

Next time get your facts straight before trying to call people out.

It's funny that people are quick to band together against someone, but don't call each other on what is abusive during the banding.

Where is the abuse? It's a handful of individuals who disagree with someone and having individual discussions with him, you are blowing things way out of proportion.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

DonFerrari on 18 December 2018
zorg1000 said:
DonFerrari said:

It's funny that people are quick to band together against someone, but don't call each other on what is abusive during the banding.

Where is the abuse? It's a handful of individuals who disagree with someone and having individual discussions with him, you are blowing things way out of proportion.

Yes, yes, certainly.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

zorg1000 on 18 December 2018
DonFerrari said:
zorg1000 said:

Where is the abuse? It's a handful of individuals who disagree with someone and having individual discussions with him, you are blowing things way out of proportion.

Yes, yes, certainly.

Let's also glance over the fact he straight up called me a liar but I'm somehow the one being abusive.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

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DonFerrari on 18 December 2018
zorg1000 said:
DonFerrari said:

Yes, yes, certainly.

Let's also glance over the fact he straight up called me a liar but I'm somehow the one being abusive.

And he was wrong, the fact that he misunderstood your point doesn't make you a liar. Still it was like 5x1 one on the argument. With exaggeration that anyone that thinks Switch will sell less than 80M is a hater, troll or whose analysis and opinion is irrelevant/not credible.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Intrinsic on 18 December 2018
zorg1000 said:
DonFerrari said:

Yes, yes, certainly.

Let's also glance over the fact he straight up called me a liar but I'm somehow the one being abusive.

Saying you were lying was with regards to the notion that you had always been talking about shipped as opposed to sales numbers. You cleared that up, I admitted t not being aware f it and thus the resultant mix up.

A few of you have made me out to be some crazy person making totally outlandish predictions all simply because I said i expected the switch to sell around or not pass the 3DS and went on to elaborate putting that number at 75M to 80M. I am the same person that even mentioned my original lowball predictions and mentioned that I changed them in this same thread.

Lets not all pretend like this is just run off the mill debating here. Like I honestly can't believe someone predicting sales of 70M - 80M warrants all this..... those aren't even bad sales!!!!! 

And I implore you or the genius that sought out my post from before the console even released to prove that my prediction was lower than what it was now even after  I had already brought attention t that already to also find the numerous posts that I have made saying it would end up doing alot more. And yet somehow my credibility is put to question. 

The sad part about this is that its not like I am man any outlandish claim with n rhyme or reason. I actually put out god debatable points as to why I felt it wouldn't sell more than 80M. 



Intrinsic on 18 December 2018
p0isonparadise said:
Intrinsic said:

My own personal estimate fr the NS was originally 50M. 

It wasn't. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8250033

Then that whole nintendo games and people buy nintendo consoles for nintendo games. All i will say to this is; how many of those people remain? Just look at the wiiU. Or do some here think that the wii sold so well because of nintendo games?

Anyways my predicion is no more than 35-40M lifetime. And my reason is price and no third parties.

What a blast from the past. 

 

zorg1000 said:
p0isonparadise said:

It wasn't. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8250033

Then that whole nintendo games and people buy nintendo consoles for nintendo games. All i will say to this is; how many of those people remain? Just look at the wiiU. Or do some here think that the wii sold so well because of nintendo games?

Anyways my predicion is no more than 35-40M lifetime. And my reason is price and no third parties.

What a blast from the past. 

So he went from 35-40m to 70-80m, a 100% increase.........ya I dont think anyone should take Intrinsic seriously when it comes to predicting Switch sales.
And this below is from that same exact thread. Meaning I didn't even wait too long before I revised my original prediction. And guess what? again i was arguing with you abut even the right t change my prediction even after I stated my reasons why. From the same thread Pisonparidise quoted. Pity he didn't see this post too...... and yet this is all just simple debating lol.
Intrinsic said: 
zorg1000 said: 

What makes you think im not relaxed?

Im not saying you arent allowed to change your prediction. That never once came out of my mouth.

Im saying changing your prediction by a large amount means you dont stand by it.

This is what you said, "I still stand by that prediction though, albeit now I have revised it by around 15 to 20M. So now it stands at 50M to 60M lifetime"

 

Again, i dont care that you changed your prediction. Im telling you what you said was a contradiction.


Nintendo raising their forcast is 10000% irrelevent to what we are talking about.

Sigh.... ok.

I have tried to explain why... I have given you reasons and scenarios. At the end of the day, what I did I revise my original prediction. Now I have a new one. So maybe I should have said I stand by my reasoning and not my prediction if that somehow would have avoided all this being that I changed my prediction. 

So let me rephrase.... I stand by my reasoning but underestimated the value proposition that was $299 when making my earlier prediction. Now I have raised my prediction and I am making it clear that if nintendo gets that price down sooner rather than later and can get a good deal more third party support then that number is only bound to go up.

Better?

And nintendo revising their estimates.... actually thats even underselling it as in their case they would have had to change a lot to increase production ha everything to do with this. Cause as i said, if nintendo can make adjustments, why can't we? Especially when you consider that most of these predictions were made at a time when nintendo announced only 8M total shipments for the fiscal year..... extrapolate that and arriving at 40M doesn't seem that far fetched.

In that same thread, from a quote of myself that you typed out..... You can clearly see when I raised my prediction up and even then said I stand by my reasons but have revised it up. The same reasons I have been still talking about in this thread.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8714860

 

Now lets watch all of you who tried to ridicule me by taking a quote I made two years ago and just as immediately changed ignore all this now.

Last edited by Intrinsic - on 18 December 2018

zorg1000 on 18 December 2018
DonFerrari said:
zorg1000 said:

Let's also glance over the fact he straight up called me a liar but I'm somehow the one being abusive.

And he was wrong, the fact that he misunderstood your point doesn't make you a liar. Still it was like 5x1 one on the argument. With exaggeration that anyone that thinks Switch will sell less than 80M is a hater, troll or whose analysis and opinion is irrelevant/not credible.

Find one post that called him a hater or troll.

Nobody can control what posts other people decide to reply to, just because a few people all had the same argument against what he said does not mean we are "banding together" against him.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

flashfire926 on 18 December 2018

Don Please dont pull out the victim card. No one bullied or insulted you or intrinsic



Bet with Intrinsic:

The Switch will outsell 3DS (based on VGchartz numbers), according to me, while Intrinsic thinks the opposite will hold true. One month avatar control for the loser's avatar.