The popular opinion in a forum which represents the 0.01% of all the RDR2 players, you mean ?

 So you should listen to the opinion of all players, and you can't.   Metacritic is good enough to measure the value of a game.  Then it's up to you, and if you don't like it's your taste, don't talk about the value or what the Game deserves or not.  

...Huh? Where did I say or even imply that a forum dictates popular consensus? I'm literally doing the opposite. 

Metacritic is better as a means for consensus when we look at user scores though, not critics. Critics are by far a minority. Unfortunately user averages are easily manipulated by trolls. I will say that I believe the big difference between user score and reviewer scores is probably mostly earned legit though. I can't imagine how much GTA fans got bored with the game an hour in. 

" Then it's up to you, and if you don't like it's your taste, don't talk about the value or what the Game deserves or not. "

Ehh? No... Because as you said, we should listen to all players. That doesn't meab we have to agree with them, but quality and value isn't objective anyways (although the reception of games could be measurable though, but the objective quality in that would be statistics of how liked a game is, not it's """value""")

Games like God of War 4, RDR2, GTAV, Zelda BOTW, TLOU, Forza Horizon4, etc etc just to name some, have a huge value, which is objective; what is subjective is the "fun element" for you, what appeals to you.    I understand what you mean, and I consider Value differently from you.  Value for me is the technical achievement, attention to details, amount of contents, the Story, Story telling, graphics / animation / details, the sound experience, the massive work behind it, gameplay and controls, "the polish" of the Game and so many other things that all work perfectly together. You can't deny "This Value" because you don't like something of the Game or you don't have fun. That's just you(in general).

 We talk about the same thing but we attribute a different meaning to the word value.

Playing the game now. While I enjoy it a LOT, I agree with Gamerankings. MO and BotW are above it still. BotW is still the GotG.

Ok, I can appreciate where you're coming from. That's reasonable. 

I still don't get the love for BOTW, it's a great game but there's SO much room for improvement. Unlike SMO I can point out numerous areas that can be improved in BOTW. From the terribly dull side quests "fetch 55 rushrooms" "bring me goron spice" "I want raw gourmet meat", to the severe lack of powers/gadgets which makes shrine/dungeon puzzles heavily limited. The copy and pasted stables and enemy camps to fill the world. The lack of any worthwhile reward for engaging in overworld combat, or attacking camps... There's just a lot that can be fixed with a sequel.

SMO on the other hand, there's really not a lot I can say... Make it so you need to get more of the Powermoons to complete the game? 

I'll probably think RDR2 is overrated too, I am quite harsh when it comes to scores.

Fair enough. I'm on my 3rd playthrough of GOW after platinuming it the first time. What a game. Brought the medium to an all knew level for me. Can't wait to see what i think of red dead. 

But since Metacritic has more reviews, and RDR2 is above BotW and Mario Odyssey according to Metacritic, it makes RDR2 universally the better game. The score-difference between these games in Gamerankings is also only a couple decimals (0,3-0, 4) so it's not enough to compensate.

Everyone of course has his own opinion, but facts are facts.

By no means can I make a definitive opinion yet, but I’m about 5h into RDR2, and I already have more complaints/frustrations than I did after 60hrs with GoW (only complaint I could give about GoW was the slow climbing).

So far, I do like RDR2, but I’m not really enjoying it that much. I feel like it tries to be too realistic. And probably my biggest frustration is how they consistently throw a piece of instructional text at you while they simultaneously have dialogue occurring! And the text fades automatically after a short time. What were they thinking here? No way can I process dialogue and comprehend text simultaneously. 

Gamerankings doesn't include jimmy bob reviews, it only looks at the relevant ones. Therefore, I agree with that list. I am playing RDR2 myself right at this moment. Facts aside, I still think BotW is the GOTG, that's my opinion.