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starcraft said:
PooperScooper said:
Flow said:
 

Okay then, what the hell do you want? A high-level scientologist official coming and saying "yeah, we are evil, here is the proof, now arrest me"? I can't freakin believe you ignored all proof.

If you don't want to look it's fine. People like you are not worth discussing, as you see everyone just gave up on opering your eyes.

Bailing out...


Whats the most pathetic about this is that he is so stubborn and refuses to look at this shit. People just give up on his ignorance and his arrogance thinks he won the argument.

Hey starcraft can you prove the holocaust actually happened? I want you to get Hitler to come to my house and tell me he tried exterminating Jews.

The diary of Anne Frank doesn't count because it's an ex-member of a concentration camp. All of the sites that describe it don't count either because they weren't there. Auschwitz doesn't count either because there is no evidence that they used those chambers as a furnace to burn those people.

Listen guys. Your the ones that said it was their official policy. You could have said it was their in-practice policy. You could have said it was their de facto policy. But instead, you made up some bull about murder and extortion being part of the CoS's official policy, which is exactly the kind of defamatory and unproven comments I was complaining Anonymous made.

I looked at every link you provided and repeatededly agreed with how dodgy the CoS is. But you refuse to see that, or acknowledge that I'm not arguing about the CoS's morality. For some reason you seem to be against what I consider the fundamental right of human beings to be presumed innocent until proven guilty.

Oh and Pooper, have you ever heard of Nuremburg? The Nazi's were actually given a trial, have the CoS got one? Or is it still just a bunch of people too gutless to show their faces running around screaming "guilty, GUILTY?"

 


  I wholeheartedly agree with the right of being presumed innocent until proven guilty, and there they are, proved guilty. That's what we are trying so long to show you.

Anonymous doesn't go around screaming "GUILTY!", they present the proof just like ssj12 did, and i bet many other anonymous are doing everywhere else.

Also i would love to see a real trial to finally leave the church alone or finish it. Probably the latter will happen. 




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Flow said:
starcraft said:

Listen guys. Your the ones that said it was their official policy. You could have said it was their in-practice policy. You could have said it was their de facto policy. But instead, you made up some bull about murder and extortion being part of the CoS's official policy, which is exactly the kind of defamatory and unproven comments I was complaining Anonymous made.

I looked at every link you provided and repeatededly agreed with how dodgy the CoS is. But you refuse to see that, or acknowledge that I'm not arguing about the CoS's morality. For some reason you seem to be against what I consider the fundamental right of human beings to be presumed innocent until proven guilty.

Oh and Pooper, have you ever heard of Nuremburg? The Nazi's were actually given a trial, have the CoS got one? Or is it still just a bunch of people too gutless to show their faces running around screaming "guilty, GUILTY?"

 


  I wholeheartedly agree with the right of being presumed innocent until proven guilty, and there they are, proved guilty. That's what we are trying so long to show you.

Anonymous doesn't go around screaming "GUILTY!", they present the proof just like ssj12 did, and i bet many other anonymous are doing everywhere else.

Also i would love to see a real trial to finally leave the church alone or finish it. Probably the latter will happen. 


funny thing is innocent until proven guilty only matters in the court of law. He is treating this like a trial. when in fact it isnt. there is a certain point when repeat circumstantial incidents becomes substantial. And in fact hearsay only again matters in trial. Also this is coming from people who experience first hand. This is first hand knowledge and not hearsay.

and lets not forget starcraft was orginally saying that CoS had a right to confront their accusers when they do not.



Domo-Kun said:
I don't know how to feel about this.

Scientology in my opinion is fuggin stupid, but people being intolerant of another's beliefs makes it seem like another case of unjust intolerance.

While I think you have to be an idiot to believe in Scientology, I think, if people want to believe it, more power to them.
 As a concerned human of reason and concious I can not conciously stand by and allow ppl to be taken advantage of by a cult religion that pulls families apart, and actively harms individuals that disagree with it and has been categorized as a cult by many governments notably Germany. 

 



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rudyrsr8 said:
Domo-Kun said:
I don't know how to feel about this.

Scientology in my opinion is fuggin stupid, but people being intolerant of another's beliefs makes it seem like another case of unjust intolerance.

While I think you have to be an idiot to believe in Scientology, I think, if people want to believe it, more power to them.
 As a concerned human of reason and concious I can not conciously stand by and allow ppl to be taken advantage of by a cult religion that pulls families apart, and actively harms individuals that disagree with it and has been categorized as a cult by many governments notably Germany. 

 


 I'm glad you're showing concern for the followers of scientology, but no matter how stupid the religion may seem to some, others may take it seriously and unfortunately, full-heartedly believe in what the religion preaches. I hate making his name synonymous with scientology but look at Tom Cruise. I've met him personally and he's a very nice guy but he truly believes that the evil alien overlord Xenu dumped frozen alien souls into the volcanos of Hawaii. Is it weird? To us yes, but isn't every religion far fetched with a large need for faith in order for it to work? If someone today told you he was God's son would you believe him? On that note I really am God's son but that's another story. Now what makes a person that lived 2,000 years ago anymore credible? Do you see my point? Anyway, I'm not saying Scientology doesn't hurt anyone because they're are a few, but for the majority it's not and since that's the case let them be. 

P.S. If you think you deserve any merits for finding faults within the religion, then you severely underestimate the capacity of the average person's intelligence. It's pissing me off when people feel like they're enlightening everyone with their gift of knowledge. Especially TV networks.

P.P.S. I hate the news. Full of disguised bias and agendas. 



Flow said:
starcraft said:
 

Listen guys. Your the ones that said it was their official policy. You could have said it was their in-practice policy. You could have said it was their de facto policy. But instead, you made up some bull about murder and extortion being part of the CoS's official policy, which is exactly the kind of defamatory and unproven comments I was complaining Anonymous made.

I looked at every link you provided and repeatededly agreed with how dodgy the CoS is. But you refuse to see that, or acknowledge that I'm not arguing about the CoS's morality. For some reason you seem to be against what I consider the fundamental right of human beings to be presumed innocent until proven guilty.

Oh and Pooper, have you ever heard of Nuremburg? The Nazi's were actually given a trial, have the CoS got one? Or is it still just a bunch of people too gutless to show their faces running around screaming "guilty, GUILTY?"

 


I wholeheartedly agree with the right of being presumed innocent until proven guilty, and there they are, proved guilty. That's what we are trying so long to show you.

Anonymous doesn't go around screaming "GUILTY!", they present the proof just like ssj12 did, and i bet many other anonymous are doing everywhere else.

Also i would love to see a real trial to finally leave the church alone or finish it. Probably the latter will happen.

Oh I see.  So they are "proved" guilty because the mob and Fox news says so?  Even if this was the case, have you met a judge in the free world that is allowed to hide his face when he delivers a verdict?  Or a jury even?  I will say again, what Anonymous does is unaccountedely defame a religion. 

By all means, take of your masks and campaign for a judicial inquiry.  I think that would be an excellent idea.  But stop pretending that your judge, jury and executioner and that it's ok for you too do all that without sharing your identity with the accused. 

 



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PooperScooper said:
Flow said:
 

I wholeheartedly agree with the right of being presumed innocent until proven guilty, and there they are, proved guilty. That's what we are trying so long to show you.

Anonymous doesn't go around screaming "GUILTY!", they present the proof just like ssj12 did, and i bet many other anonymous are doing everywhere else.

Also i would love to see a real trial to finally leave the church alone or finish it. Probably the latter will happen.


funny thing is innocent until proven guilty only matters in the court of law. He is treating this like a trial. when in fact it isnt. there is a certain point when repeat circumstantial incidents becomes substantial. And in fact hearsay only again matters in trial. Also this is coming from people who experience first hand. This is first hand knowledge and not hearsay.

and lets not forget starcraft was orginally saying that CoS had a right to confront their accusers when they do not.

I'm still saying that.  Why do you not think that a person or group accused of murder and extortion has a right to question their accuser and why do you think they have no right to due process?

 



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starcraft said:
PooperScooper said:
Flow said:
 

I wholeheartedly agree with the right of being presumed innocent until proven guilty, and there they are, proved guilty. That's what we are trying so long to show you.

Anonymous doesn't go around screaming "GUILTY!", they present the proof just like ssj12 did, and i bet many other anonymous are doing everywhere else.

Also i would love to see a real trial to finally leave the church alone or finish it. Probably the latter will happen.


funny thing is innocent until proven guilty only matters in the court of law. He is treating this like a trial. when in fact it isnt. there is a certain point when repeat circumstantial incidents becomes substantial. And in fact hearsay only again matters in trial. Also this is coming from people who experience first hand. This is first hand knowledge and not hearsay.

and lets not forget starcraft was orginally saying that CoS had a right to confront their accusers when they do not.

I'm still saying that.  Why do you not think that a person or group accused of murder and extortion has a right to question their accuser and why do you think they have no right to due process?

 


simple... because they dont. why dont you understand the simplest of things?



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starcraft said:
PooperScooper said:
Flow said:
 

I wholeheartedly agree with the right of being presumed innocent until proven guilty, and there they are, proved guilty. That's what we are trying so long to show you.

Anonymous doesn't go around screaming "GUILTY!", they present the proof just like ssj12 did, and i bet many other anonymous are doing everywhere else.

Also i would love to see a real trial to finally leave the church alone or finish it. Probably the latter will happen.


funny thing is innocent until proven guilty only matters in the court of law. He is treating this like a trial. when in fact it isnt. there is a certain point when repeat circumstantial incidents becomes substantial. And in fact hearsay only again matters in trial. Also this is coming from people who experience first hand. This is first hand knowledge and not hearsay.

and lets not forget starcraft was orginally saying that CoS had a right to confront their accusers when they do not.

I'm still saying that. Why do you not think that a person or group accused of murder and extortion has a right to question their accuser and why do you think they have no right to due process?

 


 I do not know what laws you have down under but here in America, this right to face your accuser only applies to the court room.  If CoS was put on trial then they would face their accusers.  This does not apply to protesters or any other aspect of life outside the court room.  Maybe in Canada and Australia this is different and if the protest occur there then i may be true.  But any protest in America give no right to CoS to face their accusers.



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