Squilliam said: kingofwale said: let's be serious here. Buying a console will guarantee you to have at least 5+ years of playing the newest game on that console. Can you say that to a PC that costs around the same price? That is why console sales are up, while PC gaming are down.   If you're happy with a console at the same level for 5 years... you're suddenly unhappy with a PC that does the same?!

 A console game 5 years later on the same hardware looks a lot better then the original, as developers get better at developing for it.

The PC gets worse, as games require more hardware, and eventually stop working all together. 

I bought my PS3 for $600 in 2006. Take a $600 PC from 2006 and see how UT3 looks. 

It would cost about $650 to build a rig with an E8200, 9600GT 512MB, 2GB DDR2, CD/DVD Burner, 320GB Hard Drive, Case and 400W-500W PSU.

 

So you get; Excellent CPU, Excellent GPU, Excellent Ram, Mid-Range mobo, Excellent Hard Drive, Typical Burner, and Typical Case & PSU.

 

Quite frankly I think anyone who buys a console and doesn't have a PC already has spent their money poorly. And anyone who is into gaming and doesn't buy a gaming capable PC has also spent poorly. Owning a PC is becoming a mandatory part of life, and buying a console over a PC is about as silly as it gets when you consider just how many things a PC makes easier. Now, if you're buying a PC as a gamer and not making it a gaming capable PC you've missed the fact that the difference between a PC you will would buy anyways and a gaming PC is almost certainly less than the cost of ANY current generation console.

Honestly the only two reasons, that I can think of anyways, not to spend the extra money to make your PC "gaming capable" is either ignorance of the actual cost difference or a dislike of PC games.  Outside of that I would chalk it up to fanboyism or just plain stubborness.

you stick with that, ill stick with quad-SLi

Sqrl said: It would cost about $650 to build a rig with an E8200, 9600GT 512MB, 2GB DDR2, CD/DVD Burner, 320GB Hard Drive, Case and 400W-500W PSU.   So you get; Excellent CPU, Excellent GPU, Excellent Ram, Mid-Range mobo, Excellent Hard Drive, Typical Burner, and Typical Case & PSU.   Quite frankly I think anyone who buys a console and doesn't have a PC already has spent their money poorly. And anyone who is into gaming and doesn't buy a gaming capable PC has also spent poorly. Owning a PC is becoming a mandatory part of life, and buying a console over a PC is about as silly as it gets when you consider just how many things a PC makes easier. Now, if you're buying a PC as a gamer and not making it a gaming capable PC you've missed the fact that the difference between a PC you will would buy anyways and a gaming PC is almost certainly less than the cost of ANY current generation console. Honestly the only two reasons, that I can think of anyways, not to spend the extra money to make your PC "gaming capable" is either ignorance of the actual cost difference or a dislike of PC games. Outside of that I would chalk it up to fanboyism or just plain stubborness.

Jimmy wants to buy a PC to play games and is looking at the following...

e8200 - 200 bucks the cheapest

9600 GT - 150 the cheapest

mid range mobo that supports dual core - 100 bucksif you're lucky

320 gb - 70 bucks the cheapest

2 gb of ram - 50 bucks

CD/DVD burner and case - 70 bucks

Total = 640 bucks

 

Ahh but wait...what does jimmy know about putting PC's togehter...usually nothing.

So add 50 bucks for Bimmy to come and put it together for him.

 

But wait...Jimmy is not a thief and he will not steal operating system software...

Windows Vista - 100 bucks.

So total for jimmy is about 800 bucks.

 

Xbox 360 premium is 349...PS3 is 399 and it has Bluray...

Wow...now Jimmy feels like an idiot for buying the PC when all he wanted is to play the latest games.

>But wait...Jimmy is not a thief and he will not steal operating system software...

>Windows Vista - 100 bucks.


Getting Windows Vista for 100 bucks probably classify you as a "thief". ;)

disolitude said: Sqrl said: It would cost about $650 to build a rig with an E8200, 9600GT 512MB, 2GB DDR2, CD/DVD Burner, 320GB Hard Drive, Case and 400W-500W PSU.   So you get; Excellent CPU, Excellent GPU, Excellent Ram, Mid-Range mobo, Excellent Hard Drive, Typical Burner, and Typical Case & PSU.   Quite frankly I think anyone who buys a console and doesn't have a PC already has spent their money poorly. And anyone who is into gaming and doesn't buy a gaming capable PC has also spent poorly. Owning a PC is becoming a mandatory part of life, and buying a console over a PC is about as silly as it gets when you consider just how many things a PC makes easier. Now, if you're buying a PC as a gamer and not making it a gaming capable PC you've missed the fact that the difference between a PC you will would buy anyways and a gaming PC is almost certainly less than the cost of ANY current generation console. Honestly the only two reasons, that I can think of anyways, not to spend the extra money to make your PC "gaming capable" is either ignorance of the actual cost difference or a dislike of PC games. Outside of that I would chalk it up to fanboyism or just plain stubborness. Jimmy wants to buy a PC to play games and is looking at the following... e8200 - 200 bucks the cheapest 9600 GT - 150 the cheapest mid range mobo that supports dual core - 100 bucksif you're lucky 320 gb - 70 bucks the cheapest 2 gb of ram - 50 bucks CD/DVD burner and case - 70 bucks Total = 640 bucks   Ahh but wait...what does jimmy know about putting PC's togehter...usually nothing. So add 50 bucks for Bimmy to come and put it together for him.   But wait...Jimmy is not a thief and he will not steal operating system software... Windows Vista - 100 bucks. So total for jimmy is about 800 bucks.   Xbox 360 premium is 349...PS3 is 399 and it has Bluray... Wow...now Jimmy feels like an idiot for buying the PC when all he wanted is to play the latest games.

Jimmy already has XP. Or he'll need it anyway. Computers all need cases, so he has one anyway whatever he does. Jimmy likes to burn CD's and dvds so he has one too. Jimmy likes putting his music etc on the HDD, so he needs one of those too. So Ram+Mobo+CPU+GPU Ram= 50+70+100+130 = $350 Jimmys friend Aztec asks if he can come over to his house to do his homework because all he has is a silly console that can't do any real work anyway.

The problem with PC gaming -- at least for me -- is what Kingofwale is hinting at.

You can play your console games on that console so long as you have that console. You cannot play your older and older PC games on the newer and newer PCs. And you cannot always play the most recent games on a slightly older PC.

I went through a PC gaming phase in the late 1980s. I went back to consoles. That's my choice.

Mike from Morgantown

PS -- For the record, I have only twice paid more than $100 for a console -- my Intellivision and my Wii. (Thrice if you count a C-64). I do not have -- as of yet -- a PS3 or X360. But I spent $99 for my Xbox and $50 for my PS2 and $50 for my GC while all were still alive. So it can be even cheaper than the videocard.

kingofwale said: >But wait...Jimmy is not a thief and he will not steal operating system software... >Windows Vista - 100 bucks. Getting Windows Vista for 100 bucks probably classify you as a "thief". ;)

 http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=22437&vpn=66I-00715&manufacture=Microsoft

Why a thief? 

Squilliam said: disolitude said: Jimmy wants to buy a PC to play games and is looking at the following... e8200 - 200 bucks the cheapest 9600 GT - 150 the cheapest mid range mobo that supports dual core - 100 bucksif you're lucky 320 gb - 70 bucks the cheapest 2 gb of ram - 50 bucks CD/DVD burner and case - 70 bucks Total = 640 bucks   Ahh but wait...what does jimmy know about putting PC's togehter...usually nothing. So add 50 bucks for Bimmy to come and put it together for him.   But wait...Jimmy is not a thief and he will not steal operating system software... Windows Vista - 100 bucks. So total for jimmy is about 800 bucks.   Xbox 360 premium is 349...PS3 is 399 and it has Bluray... Wow...now Jimmy feels like an idiot for buying the PC when all he wanted is to play the latest games.   Jimmy already has XP. Or he'll need it anyway. Computers all need cases, so he has one anyway whatever he does. Jimmy likes to burn CD's and dvds so he has one too. Jimmy likes putting his music etc on the HDD, so he needs one of those too. So Ram+Mobo+CPU+GPU Ram= 50+70+100+130 = $350 Jimmys friend Aztec asks if he can come over to his house to do his homework because all he has is a silly console that can't do any real work anyway.

ITs a little convinient for jimmy to have all these parts. Thats like Jimmy having the controllers and power adapter as well as HD cables for the xbox before hand.

Also, I think we established Jimmy just wants to play games. He has his dad's AMD Athlon PC for work and music transfer for his Ipod.

can we mention that consoles dont break down, well the ps3 doesnt, no virus's, NEVER SLOWS DOWN after a year of spam!!