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COKTOE said:
Mr Puggsly said:

People are reacting to him saying bitch and whore. Its not surprising people would respond to that.

I personally don't think its a coincidence he used those words when discussing a woman. I'm just glad he didn't use the word "bossy." That's like the n-word for women.

Well, fine, those terms are not in my wheelhouse, and I can say with certainty I've never used them in my entire history here. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt however. I think he's using them to express his disgust for this particular individual. Not the best choice of words to be sure. Homeboy though, O_oooo-Q OOOOOOOOO, likes to deal in insane absolutes. Like if I wank it to a Madonna spread in Playboy, I've committed rape. How about the Sears catalogue? Is that OK mommy?

" Like if I wank it to a Madonna spread in Playboy, I've committed rape."

i said that the commodification of women's bodies for male consumption contributes to rape culture and it needs to be stopped for the sake of women



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thismeintiel said:
CaptainExplosion said:

I don't live in Toronto.

She appeared on a Nazi radio station, and the Tweets I just showed you are blatantly racist. Oh, and she says that there's a conspiracy of genocide against whites.

What radio program? And there's nothing wrong with her tweets, unless you're on the extreme left. Also, nationalism only becomes a problem when you mix it with socialism. That's how you make a Nazi. 

Nazism is way more closely associated with fascism and extremist right wing philosophies than it is left wing ideas such as socialism but considering how often those on the right repeat the "Nazis were communist" meme it's probably not even worth pointing out



collint0101 said:
thismeintiel said:

What radio program? And there's nothing wrong with her tweets, unless you're on the extreme left. Also, nationalism only becomes a problem when you mix it with socialism. That's how you make a Nazi. 

Nazism is way more closely associated with fascism and extremist right wing philosophies than it is left wing ideas such as socialism but considering how often those on the right repeat the "Nazis were communist" meme it's probably not even worth pointing out

even thought the vast majority of their policies were socialist policies? 

i'd think that its policies that determine your political affilication

fascism btw results from centralised power being misused.... socialism is about centralising power



o_O.Q said:
collint0101 said:

Nazism is way more closely associated with fascism and extremist right wing philosophies than it is left wing ideas such as socialism but considering how often those on the right repeat the "Nazis were communist" meme it's probably not even worth pointing out

even thought the vast majority of their policies were socialist policies? 

What policies? Not even trying to be rhetorical or fictitous what socialistic policies do you believe the Nazis put in place aside from the redistribution of wealth and businesses owned by jews



collint0101 said:
o_O.Q said:

even thought the vast majority of their policies were socialist policies? 

What policies? Not even trying to be rhetorical or fictitous what socialistic policies do you believe the Nazis put in place aside from the redistribution of wealth and businesses owned by jews

healthcare for all, state funded education, extensive child care services, gun control and on and on and on

in fact with a few exceptions all of their policies were socialist policies... the very same policies we see from the left today

and its not about what i believe, but about reality



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o_O.Q said:
collint0101 said:

What policies? Not even trying to be rhetorical or fictitous what socialistic policies do you believe the Nazis put in place aside from the redistribution of wealth and businesses owned by jews

healthcare for all, state funded education, extensive child care services, gun control and on and on and on

in fact with a few exceptions all of their policies were socialist policies... the very same policies we see from the left today

and its not about what i believe, but about reality

Socialized healthcare predates the Nazis by a good while https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/bismarck-tried-end-socialisms-grip-offering-government-healthcare-180964064/

As for gun restrictions the government in place before the Nazis was actually more strict on gun ownership than the Nazis themselves although the Nazis did dearm the Jewish population. https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/oct/26/ben-carson/fact-checking-ben-carson-nazi-guns/

And I regards to education socialized college tuition is relatively new https://www.forbes.com/sites/ccap/2014/10/03/there-is-not-such-thing-as-a-free-college-education/#5ee8ef52417a 

With public schools dating back to the 1800s https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Germany

 

As for government child care I don't know, partly because researching something so specific is a pain in the ass 



collint0101 said:
o_O.Q said:

healthcare for all, state funded education, extensive child care services, gun control and on and on and on

in fact with a few exceptions all of their policies were socialist policies... the very same policies we see from the left today

and its not about what i believe, but about reality

Socialized healthcare predates the Nazis by a good while https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/bismarck-tried-end-socialisms-grip-offering-government-healthcare-180964064/

As for gun restrictions the government in place before the Nazis was actually more strict on gun ownership than the Nazis themselves although the Nazis did dearm the Jewish population. https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/oct/26/ben-carson/fact-checking-ben-carson-nazi-guns/

And I regards to education socialized college tuition is relatively new https://www.forbes.com/sites/ccap/2014/10/03/there-is-not-such-thing-as-a-free-college-education/#5ee8ef52417a 

With public schools dating back to the 1800s https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Germany

 

As for government child care I don't know, partly because researching something so specific is a pain in the ass 

the point i'm making is that regardless of whether certain policies predated them or not, they still pushed those policies

they did not take them away as a government opposed to certain policies would



o_O.Q said:
collint0101 said:

Socialized healthcare predates the Nazis by a good while https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/bismarck-tried-end-socialisms-grip-offering-government-healthcare-180964064/

As for gun restrictions the government in place before the Nazis was actually more strict on gun ownership than the Nazis themselves although the Nazis did dearm the Jewish population. https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/oct/26/ben-carson/fact-checking-ben-carson-nazi-guns/

And I regards to education socialized college tuition is relatively new https://www.forbes.com/sites/ccap/2014/10/03/there-is-not-such-thing-as-a-free-college-education/#5ee8ef52417a 

With public schools dating back to the 1800s https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Germany

 

As for government child care I don't know, partly because researching something so specific is a pain in the ass 

the point i'm making is that regardless of whether certain policies predated them or not, they still pushed those policies

they did not take them away as a government opposed to certain policies would

Because those policies are honestly kinda normal. Yes the Nazis had public health care but so did most of Europe both then and now and even the furthest right of conservative politicians aren't arguing to end socialized healthcare in european countries. I will definitely admit that the Nazis are somewhat of an odd case and Spain and Italy are better examples of pure right wing fascism but trying to lump the Nazis in with leftist because of public health care is like saying  communism is right wing because hardcore Marxist are pretty big on gun ownership



collint0101 said:
o_O.Q said:

the point i'm making is that regardless of whether certain policies predated them or not, they still pushed those policies

they did not take them away as a government opposed to certain policies would

Because those policies are honestly kinda normal. Yes the Nazis had public health care but so did most of Europe both then and now and even the furthest right of conservative politicians aren't arguing to end socialized healthcare in european countries. I will definitely admit that the Nazis are somewhat of an odd case and Spain and Italy are better examples of pure right wing fascism but trying to lump the Nazis in with leftist because of public health care is like saying  communism is right wing because hardcore Marxist are pretty big on gun ownership

"but trying to lump the Nazis in with leftist because of public health care"

which is why i looked at their policies as a collective and didn't jump to an assumption based on one single policy? oh and there's also the fact that they called themselves socialists?

can you state any right wing policies the nazis had? if you can get past 2 you deserve a commendation

 

also... you keep associating fascism purely with the right... but if the left is about centralising power and fascism is about misused centralised power... how can you deny the connection between the left and fascism?


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She advocated for national socialism and ethnic cleansing of jews?