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DonFerrari on 02 May 2022
twintail said:
gtotheunit91 said:

The thing with WB is that it's nearly all licensed IP's in their games. So the only thing any buyer of WB's gaming division would be primarily getting are their studios. Unless they really wanna pay a pretty penny for those licensed IP's.

The deal did also include IPs Deus Ex, Thief, and I believe (may be wrong) Sleeping Dogs. Along with Tomb Raider. Square severely mismanaged these studios by a long shot. These IPs, while not enormous blockbusters, have insane potential to thrive again. The original Deus Ex is one of my all time favorite games and still holds up today. Way ahead of its time. 

I'm sure there's value in the ownership of IP, but that's not necessarily what's coveted.

Consider Sony's acquisitions of the last couple years: Insomniac, Housemarque, Nixies, FireSprite, Fabrik, Bluepoint, Valkyrie, and Haven Studios: none of these came with any established IP.

Because, development infrastructure and developer talent are more important. 

Different strokes for different folks. MS paid a good amount for AB because of also the strong IPs.

Sony is less dependent on doing sequels so the talent is more looked and make the deal cheaper.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

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hinch on 02 May 2022
twintail said:
the-pi-guy said:

Sony has tended to go after studios without many IP, because it's cheaper, and they have a lot of faith in their ability to create new IP. Bungie is like 3x the size Insomniac was when they were acquired, and yet they cost more than 10x the amount.

I don't think it's not necessarily that it's more important, but it's less risky because the market doesn't tend to put the same amount of value to talent as it does to IP.

This is a fair point

DonFerrari said:

Different strokes for different folks. MS paid a good amount for AB because of also the strong IPs.

Sony is less dependent on doing sequels so the talent is more looked and make the deal cheaper.

I do think that depends entirely on the strength of the IP.

SE Europe doesn't have strong IP; WB does but it's tied up in licensing. The big difference btw the two is that WB devs have been successful; SE EU haven't.

the-pi-guy said:

The rumor from Greg a while back, was that Sony was going to acquire Square Enix.

When did Greg ever confirm SE? 

Not only is it impossible for him to know, but I think that becomes doubly so for a JPN publisher.

That said, I'm not sure why SE would offload their EU devs for a sale with Sony. At 300 million, I can't imagine Sony is would not be interested in at least having those studios: unless they have other plans for EU in the works like Tt Games and Rocksteady. 

Would be a good get, but least interesting for Sony I feel. 

Maybe Sony didn't want the baggage of western teams. And may find their teams and even IP's redundant. Because lets face it, they already have that action adventure/exploration base covered with Uncharted and have solid teams already. And it looks like they will continue making games/movies on that end. Plus CD's output of games have been less than stellar lately. Not to mention that SE has some debts that Embracer Group will clear with the acquisition and the additional cost to keep the teams going for them to be profitable in the long haul.

Also find it very unlikely that SE did not approach Sony or vice versa. But yeah, this deal with Embracer is very strange indeed. Some people have begun speculate that there is more than meets the eye and I don't blame them.

Most likely though these so-called leakers are talking out of their ass and SE just wanted to dump their Western Studios to whoever lol :P

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DonFerrari on 03 May 2022
the-pi-guy said:

The rumor from Greg a while back, was that Sony was going to acquire Square Enix.

So basically he is admitting that they don't know a thing but report anyway =p



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

PotentHerbs on 03 May 2022
twintail said:

Ha, maybe.

Though I've just recently learnt that the Dragon Quest IP doesn't actually belong to SE. News to me!

So, you're really just getting FF at this point

If I'm not mistaken, Square Enix still owns the Dragon Quest IP, but Horii is a majority co shareholder. 



PotentHerbs on 03 May 2022

Even without its western division, Square Enix would be an incredible get for Sony, bolstering their Japanese development arm with JRPG's/MMO's, improving content pipelines and PS+ BC, a few mobile development teams, as well as securing content for Crunchyroll via Gangan Comics.

Sony would get the Final Fantasy IP which includes the incredibly popular FFXIV + other spinoffs, DragonQuest which includes spinoffs like DQ Builders/DQ Heroes/DQ MMO and a popular anime series, Kingdom Hearts which strengthens their partnership with Disney, Nier as well as its upcoming anime adaptation, and other IP's like Star Ocean, Chrono Trigger, Bravely Default, Triangle Strategy, as well as some of the Western IP that Square Enix retained such as Life is Strange, Just Cause, Parasite Eve, and Sleeping Dogs.

Square Enix is one of the few Japanese publishers that would benefit a variety of Sony growth vectors with their various businesses. Most of Square Enix's flops have been from their western division (critically and commercially), as well as some of their partnerships like Babylon's Fall or Balan's Wonderland, but the former has been sold off and Sony would probably stop with the latter. 

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DonFerrari on 03 May 2022
PotentHerbs said:

Even without its western division, Square Enix would be an incredible get for Sony, bolstering their Japanese development arm with JRPG's/MMO's, improving content pipelines and PS+ BC, a few mobile development teams, as well as securing content for Crunchyroll via Gangan Comics.

Sony would get the Final Fantasy IP which includes the incredibly popular FFXIV + other spinoffs, DragonQuest which includes spinoffs like DQ Builders/DQ Heroes/DQ MMO and a popular anime series, Kingdom Hearts which strengthens their partnership with Disney, Nier as well as its upcoming anime adaptation, and other IP's like Star Ocean, Chrono Trigger, Bravely Default, Triangle Strategy. as well as some of the Western IP that Square Enix retained such as Life is Strange, Just Cause, Parasite Eve, and Sleeping Dogs.

Square Enix is one of the few Japanese publishers that would benefit a variety of Sony growth vectors with their various businesses. Most of Square Enix's flops have been from their western division (critically and commercially), as well as some of their partnerships like Babylon's Fall or Balan's Wonderland, but the former has been sold off and Sony would probably stop with the latter. 

I would say that for Sony the east branch alone is even better than the whole (depending on price), but would like if Sony picked Soul Reaver if they were to do a reboot or in case since I love original a Remake of the trilogy (or even pentology) would be great.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

PotentHerbs on 03 May 2022
twintail said:

I'll have to say that I respect you know more on the subject than myself, so I trust you're correct. 

I appreciate the kind words but you shouldn't take my word for it lol. 



PotentHerbs on 03 May 2022
DonFerrari said:

I would say that for Sony the east branch alone is even better than the whole (depending on price), but would like if Sony picked Soul Reaver if they were to do a reboot or in case since I love original a Remake of the trilogy (or even pentology) would be great.

I would love to see a Chrono Trigger/Chrono Cross remake with a Final Fantasy budget behind it. Even more so, a DragonQuest game, whether it be a remake or new entry, developed for the PS5 without being held back by Nintendo hardware lol. 



DonFerrari on 03 May 2022
PotentHerbs said:
DonFerrari said:

I would say that for Sony the east branch alone is even better than the whole (depending on price), but would like if Sony picked Soul Reaver if they were to do a reboot or in case since I love original a Remake of the trilogy (or even pentology) would be great.

I would love to see a Chrono Trigger/Chrono Cross remake with a Final Fantasy budget behind it. Even more so, a DragonQuest game, whether it be a remake or new entry, developed for the PS5 without being held back by Nintendo hardware lol. 

People complain about a lot on remakes, but for me some IPs don't need sequels, just to be brought to current standard and adapted (as little as possible for it to work fine).

Haven't played the original CT/CC but would love to play a remake made with the quality of FF7 (even if they keep original gameplay)



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari on 05 May 2022

https://www.gamevicio.com/noticias/2022/05/god-of-war-ragnarok-pode-ser-adiado-para-2023-acredita-david-jaffe/

He is sure it will be delayed to 2023 because it is obvious to anyone with eyes.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."