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G2ThaUNiT on 26 April 2022
DonFerrari said:
gtotheunit91 said:

I know I'm in the minority but I personally wouldn't subscribe to Premium solely for the game trials. Because you're still going to be spending $18/month or $120/year to have access to this feature on top of buying the games you do end up wanting to buy. 

This wouldn't be much of a problem if Sony had a good refund policy. I've gotten hundreds if not thousands of dollars back from refunds on Steam over the years from crap games I spent less than 2 hours playing lol. Game Trials definitely do add some incentive on top of the legacy games for the Premium tier and the huge collection of games that will be on PS+ but I wouldn't have Game Trials be the sole reason for getting this tier. 

On a side note: I LOVE the Preservation team that Sony just created though and I can't wait to see what their initiatives are! 

And why are you putting it as if you had to pay 18/month 120/year for this feature? If you were justifying the different between tier 2 and 3 which is 3/month or 20/year saying that the trials (2h+ for EVERY FULL GAME launched) wouldn't entice you and you don't care about the legacy games I could see the point. But going from 0 to premium only for Trials is something that I would hardly see ANYONE doing at all.

Hypotetical case

I don't play online

I think the games given on PS+ are garbage

I don't think the extra discounts of PS+ are worthy

I don't care about cloud gaming

So PS+ isn't for me....

I don't want to loan games or think the content on the "rental" library of PS4 and PS5 titles on Deluxe are worthy

So PS+ Deluxe isn't for me...

I hate PS1, PS2, PS3, PSP games and hate even more streaming

But well I would love to play trials

Yes let me subscribe to PS+ Premium.

Well, because Game Trials is exclusive only to the Premium tier. That's why I put it to you having to pay the 18/month 120/year for the feature.

I was just responding to hinch's direct comment on the matter. I highly doubt many would actually subscribe to Premium for this feature either.



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hinch on 26 April 2022
gtotheunit91 said:

I know I'm in the minority but I personally wouldn't subscribe to Premium solely for the game trials. Because you're still going to be spending $18/month or $120/year to have access to this feature on top of buying the games you do end up wanting to buy. 

This wouldn't be much of a problem if Sony had a good refund policy. I've gotten hundreds if not thousands of dollars back from refunds on Steam over the years from crap games I spent less than 2 hours playing lol. Game Trials definitely do add some incentive on top of the legacy games for the Premium tier and the huge collection of games that will be on PS+ but I wouldn't have Game Trials be the sole reason for getting this tier. 

On a side note: I LOVE the Preservation team that Sony just created though and I can't wait to see what their initiatives are! 

Eh, I doubt people are going to sub for this alone but its nice feature to have. For a guy who casually games on consoles and is currently subbed to PS Now (to Premium), this sounds fantastic to me. Also people would be getting this for 'only' £16 more than the 2nd tier, which isn't that much more when you factor in the extra games that come with Premium. Value wise, I'd still say its kinda meh.. though its still a marked improvement considering what we have now with PS Plus and Now.

But yeah as a bonus while I don't agree with it being behind a tier'd paywall this sounds pretty good to me. On paper that is.



DonFerrari on 26 April 2022
gtotheunit91 said:
DonFerrari said:

And why are you putting it as if you had to pay 18/month 120/year for this feature? If you were justifying the different between tier 2 and 3 which is 3/month or 20/year saying that the trials (2h+ for EVERY FULL GAME launched) wouldn't entice you and you don't care about the legacy games I could see the point. But going from 0 to premium only for Trials is something that I would hardly see ANYONE doing at all.

Hypotetical case

I don't play online

I think the games given on PS+ are garbage

I don't think the extra discounts of PS+ are worthy

I don't care about cloud gaming

So PS+ isn't for me....

I don't want to loan games or think the content on the "rental" library of PS4 and PS5 titles on Deluxe are worthy

So PS+ Deluxe isn't for me...

I hate PS1, PS2, PS3, PSP games and hate even more streaming

But well I would love to play trials

Yes let me subscribe to PS+ Premium.

Well, because Game Trials is exclusive only to the Premium tier. That's why I put it to you having to pay the 18/month 120/year for the feature.

I was just responding to hinch's direct comment on the matter. I highly doubt many would actually subscribe to Premium for this feature either.

And where did hinch said, indicated or anything close to someone not having any sub deciding to get PS+ Premium just for the trials?

I severely doubt he would expect any significant amount of people to sub just because of that. What he was saying was that at first he thought the trials were worthless addition, but with every game mandated to have it them it becomes more interesting for him.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

G2ThaUNiT on 26 April 2022
DonFerrari said:
gtotheunit91 said:

Well, because Game Trials is exclusive only to the Premium tier. That's why I put it to you having to pay the 18/month 120/year for the feature.

I was just responding to hinch's direct comment on the matter. I highly doubt many would actually subscribe to Premium for this feature either.

And where did hinch said, indicated or anything close to someone not having any sub deciding to get PS+ Premium just for the trials?

I severely doubt he would expect any significant amount of people to sub just because of that. What he was saying was that at first he thought the trials were worthless addition, but with every game mandated to have it them it becomes more interesting for him.

OMG dude, I was addressing hinch and hinch alone on the comment he made and I gave my two cents on the specific subject as I'm personally still not a fan of what makes the Premium tier, Premium. Including the handling of game trials. I was not addressing or referring to any of the potential millions of PS+ Premium subscribers outside of hinch's comment since in the end, it's to each their own



DonFerrari on 27 April 2022
gtotheunit91 said:
DonFerrari said:

And where did hinch said, indicated or anything close to someone not having any sub deciding to get PS+ Premium just for the trials?

I severely doubt he would expect any significant amount of people to sub just because of that. What he was saying was that at first he thought the trials were worthless addition, but with every game mandated to have it them it becomes more interesting for him.

OMG dude, I was addressing hinch and hinch alone on the comment he made and I gave my two cents on the specific subject as I'm personally still not a fan of what makes the Premium tier, Premium. Including the handling of game trials. I was not addressing or referring to any of the potential millions of PS+ Premium subscribers outside of hinch's comment since in the end, it's to each their own

So you were addressing something he didn't say and dressing PS+ Premium as standalone for the trials? Gotcha.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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hinch on 27 April 2022
twintail said:

There seem to be 3 current concerns for game trials, and while all of them are valid I don't think they are necessarily major issues.

3. Extra work from devs

First, I'm not sure I agree that this is going to be anything major for devs. They're essentially offering the final game up on the system (hence why it's from launch to 3 months later) just with a 2 hour time lock added. We've already seen some games do this, like Yakuza I believe. And honestly, I'm not sure why this should be a concern: we should all be expecting better of devs/ publishers when it comes to the release state of games.

Rumorville again.. but supposedly, Sony's own teams will make the trials.

Imo two hours is enough for people to get an impression of a game but it won't be overall be harmful to devs and their games sales, seeing as they have a 3 month window to release it and Sony handling it for them. So basically free ads for games, that'll most likely boost sales of said game. I can imagine there being push-back from publishers and devs from this but we shall see, when we get more more concrete info on it.

Pretty big win for us gamers though. And should benefit devs too.

Last edited by hinch - on 27 April 2022

DonFerrari on 28 April 2022
hinch said:
twintail said:

There seem to be 3 current concerns for game trials, and while all of them are valid I don't think they are necessarily major issues.

3. Extra work from devs

First, I'm not sure I agree that this is going to be anything major for devs. They're essentially offering the final game up on the system (hence why it's from launch to 3 months later) just with a 2 hour time lock added. We've already seen some games do this, like Yakuza I believe. And honestly, I'm not sure why this should be a concern: we should all be expecting better of devs/ publishers when it comes to the release state of games.

Rumorville again.. but supposedly, Sony's own teams will make the trials.

Imo two hours is enough for people to get an impression of a game but it won't be overall be harmful to devs and their games sales, seeing as they have a 3 month window to release it and Sony handling it for them. So basically free ads for games, that'll most likely boost sales of said game. I can imagine there being push-back from publishers and devs from this but we shall see, when we get more more concrete info on it.

Pretty big win for us gamers though. And should benefit devs too.

So company won't need to do the trial but want a cut from supposed play of the trial, that will be funny even more when said trial isn't really something most are saying to care right? Seeing only people complaining about it being part of the subs package... so I guess MS will give trials for all games for free starting tomorrow.

Considering Sony doesn't share the profits of charging for the online multiplayer (where devs do all the work in the game and well the servers and Sony do almost nothing), I highly doubt Sony is going to pay anything. And I agree with you these trials should be more beneficial than detrimental. And it can really be very simple standard game, with full download and clock limit. But would make little sense for Sony to give a timewindow for the trial to be made available if they are the ones making it, and I believe Sony is the one that publish stuff on the store so there would be no reason for Sony to make the trial, return to publisher and then they giving a date for Sony to publish on the store.

Last edited by DonFerrari - on 28 April 2022

duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

PotentHerbs on 28 April 2022

I'm cautiously optimistic about The Quarry.

Supermassive had a bunch of floundering releases after Until Dawn, so it's finally great to see a spiritual successor to one of the most underrated games of the generation, in my opinion anyway. I'm hoping Supermassive can expand on the multiple endings/branching pathways to have as much flexibility as Heavy Rain. It's what makes the heavy QTE elements work in games like this.



DonFerrari on 29 April 2022
twintail said:

https://www.reddit.com/r/FFXVI/comments/uees67/yoshida_interview_ff16_in_final_stage_of/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

FF16 in final stages of development? 2022 still a reality???

Color me surprised, I was expecting a much longer time.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

hinch on 29 April 2022
twintail said:

https://www.reddit.com/r/FFXVI/comments/uees67/yoshida_interview_ff16_in_final_stage_of/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

FF16 in final stages of development? 2022 still a reality???

Yoshida said it was nearly finished last year, October at TGS - VGC. So I wouldn't be too surprised if it did make it. Probably polishing up the game.

Would be crazy if FFXVI and GoW Ragnarok are out by this Holiday. Wouldn't count on the latter since SMS recent video release but who knows.. excited either way.