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government + video games = worst idea ever

nothing like having the nanny state tell you that you cant handle it.


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Nautilus said:
mjk45 said:

It's got nothing to do with us Australian's being way to sensitive we where the first country to show full frontal nudity on prime time TV that left 4 dead article is 9 years old and was at a time where the attorney general of one state South Australia was stopping a nationwide 18R certificate for games when he was thrown out of office we got one.

Fine, then the ones that regulates games, the part of the government that is responsible for it, is way too sensitive.Or they are simply hypocrites.Or dumb.Either way, this decision is simply stupid, especially after what you said.

The problem lies with the guidelines , that prohibit  incentivising of drug use and sexual assault as part of the game play , now on the surface that doesn't  seem like a bad thing but the problem arises with the strict implementation , the counter argument from the govt is we have these prohibitions because it's interactive unlike film hence the emphasis on the game play benefit to the drug rather than the drug itself.

Because so few games fall into this category it won't get much backlash. my take is there are lots more threats to our children than taking a pill in a game for benefit and isn't the18+ category supposed to minimise content getting in the hands of children, who lets face see taking say morphine , med x call it what you will in a game to bolster yourself is just another gameplay mechanic that's frankly so widespread they don't even notice it anymore.

RaptorChrist said:
How is it that GTA is legal in Australia, then? If one game gets banned for drug use, I would think that would be a rule for all games.

Because GTA doesn't feature drug use (other than alcohol)?

Bet Shiken that COD would outsell Battlefield in 2018.

One of the problems with government rating boards is that they seem to go out of their way to get people who either dislike or are indifferent to gaming as an art form as play testers.

I've read an interview with the (sole) guy responsible for testing and giving out rating recommendations to the german ratingsboard about games they had considered 'liable to corrupt the youth' (yes, that is a real legal term in german...).
He is a biomedical engineer who isn't very interested in gaming and that is sort of the point. He describes himself as 'a little stuffy and conservative' and gaming as 'something he liked to do as a kid once in a while', but thinks 'more violent games should be banned to keep them away from unstable minds'. Yes, the playtester responsible for compiling the footage that will be pivotal in the decision over a games legal status in germany subscribes to the theory that violent games make you more violent in real life.

The playtesters play through the whole game, but work off a checklist of items such as 'beheading', 'blood spatter', etc. without much regard to context.
They then compile a presentation out of screenshots and captured gameplay to 'proffessionally and neutrally' present to a gremium of up to twelve (presumably old farts) in the ratings board, who see all of the most violent parts a game has to offer up in a sort of compressed slide show.

I'm actually amazed we don't get more self-censorship from developers in response to this, than we do.

A government banning a game about oppression and censorship? HMMMMMMMMMM

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Areym said:
A government banning a game about oppression and censorship? HMMMMMMMMMM


AlfredoTurkey said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Yeah, restrictions for kids buying games only. What the parents let their kids play is up to them, but the kids shouldn't be able to play adult rated games without the parents getting them those games.

I think you missed the point. They are trying to prevent bad parents from being bad parents. They're taking the steps to ensure that bad parents can't let their kids play these games. 

Good intentions offcourse but where do we go next?

There's a whole list of nice things they can ban that would take away freedom from the good citizens and even then bad parents will still exist.

I'm surprised and disappointed. i live in Australia and I can only think of a couple of games in the last 5-6 that have been banned here. It's weird because we have no censorship on any other media whatsoever. Just import it from abroad and move on I guess....

Good ol' Australia.

Ka-pi96 said:
Shadow1980 said:
This is why you don't let the government run the ratings boards. Rating systems should be voluntary industry bodies, with the ratings not having the force of law behind them.

hmm, I disagree with that. They should have the law behind them to actually make it illegal for shops to sell games to underage kids, but there should also be an 18+ rating which allows anything and everything since only adults would be allowed to buy it anyway.

The MPAA movie ratings have been around for 50 years. They've never been legally enforceable. It's a voluntary system. Nearly all theaters will refuse to sell a ticket for an R-rated movie for an unaccompanied minor, and very few will even screen an NC-17 film at all (it's considered a death sentence for theatrically-released movies, hence why many films that initially got the rating were re-edited to get it down to an R rating). Brick-and-mortar stores will also typically refuse to sell R-rated movies to a minor. Basically, only adults can buy a ticket to or disc of an R-rated movie. This system has worked for half a century, with no obvious need to have the government step in and start punishing stores and theaters.

Same for video games. I can't think of a single notable retail chain that sells M-rated games to anyone under the age of 17. It's the company policy at Wal-Mart, Best Buy, GameStop, Target, etc., to require that such games be bought by an adult. And for Adults Only titles, Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft won't even allow them on their platform. The ESRB ratings have been around for 24 years, and, like the MPAA ratings, it has worked as a strictly voluntary system.

In both cases, we have a system where the stores set policies on the matter and parents are left to make the purchasing decisions, and that's the way it should remain. When we let the government get involved in the ratings process, it opens the door to situations like in Australia and Germany where certain titles are effectively banned if the state ratings board refuses classification or otherwise puts it in a "verboten" category.