hunter_alien said: Kasz216 said: *~Onna76~* said: Personally I don't consider the PSP to be a failure when it comes to hardware sales, I think Sony will be pleased about that. But... indeed as you mention it and I've also have a conversation with Hunter_Alien about this... piracy is killing the software market. Therefore people who're downloading illegal games without paying a single penny for it are pissing me so off that they earn every single disrespect they can have from me. Due to all this downloading and therefore lower software sales, devs create less software for on the PSP, while the PSP most certainly deserves it as its certainly one heck of an amazing piece of hardware and that only in the palm of your hand. Therefore pirates, you're the biggest lowlife scum around the planet... Sorry mods for saying this I disagree. Well I think piracy is wrong. But I think if the PSP wasn't so piratable you wouldn't see an increase in sold software. You would see a decrease in purchased hardware. People are programmed to want to buy things legally from a store when it is priced as what they see as a reasonable value. People who pirate are either mini-sociopaths or people who don't see the value of the game as being worth the price asked for it, and therefore wouldn't buy said product, or a PSP in the first place. The PSP's main problem selling games wise is that it's basically a mini PSP. Who wants a mini PSP when you could be playing the real PSP? That and due to it's multimedia features, you have way more entertainment options other then just PSP games when on the road. While with the DS. That's a system that's so different, if you've got a DS game you might sit at home and play your DS. You ment PS2 right ? ;)   Anyways , I dont think Onna76 is wrong . True , games should be more handheld-oriented , but in the same time just look at all the games that where canceled due to high piracy numbers : Devil May Cry : Dance of Sparda ( the game is TBA for more than 2 years now ) , Earthworm Jim ( the game was canceled due to immense piracy issue as stated by the developer ) , Gekido : The Dark Angel ( again , developers have presumably shifted game development to the PS3 because of financial insecurity of the PSP ) . Also there where tons of other games that where canceled due to piracy from many companys ( Ubi is the best example by canceling RRR , Blazing Angels ) . Games where selling pretty well before the FW was cracked . Shure you can say that they where selling well because the PSP was new , and at first it was impressive to be able to play PS2 ports , but you just cant blame the huge dip in sales just on this , because even than we would still see most game performing at least 100k more or so , and not as some games , wich just bomb in the 30-60k region ...

If they weren't canceled by piracy, they would of be canceled by the PSP just not selling games or consoles. Developers and Manufactuerers will maintain that piracy is a problem, just because it's easier to blame it on piracy then on their own failings. Manufactuerers are well aware of piracy not being a problem, yet still wish to maintain it's a problem because then they can claim all sorts of phantom loss revenue and use that as political bargaining power.

Also "selling well" is a relative term... that's actually quite hard to prove since the sales on the PSP games here just aren't updated a lot.

When was the firmware cracked anyway

Looking at FIFA for example


FIFA Soccer (05) .11 due to no europeon sales

FIFA 06 .57

FIFA 07 1.03

FIFA 08 .81

Grand theft Auto

 Vice City - 2.44 Mil

San Andreas - 4.78 Mil

 QFT

Very well said, Bursche. 

Madden, Sales kept increasing till 08 (When all Madden sales were down)

Metal Gear, sales increase. (though portable ops is different from acid... by a lot i believe)

Monster Hunter, sales increase.

So it seems that sales have mostly increased... just not at the level of pure gaming platforms.

 Sure, plenty of people do... but the question is... how many people who do so would actually buy the games themselves.  The answer turns out to be... not very many at all... or atleast statistically indifferent from zero... as piracy also has some minor positive effects as well that offset what are at most very minimal losses.

yea I know
you could say that most of those pirated games wouldn't be bought by those gamers in the store anyway..

anyway,
I think the PSP is doing good

(maybe even suprisingly good, people tend to forget what they expected a console or handheld to sell when it was announced, and now look at the NDS and all of a sudden think the PSP is doing bad, while a couple years ago they taught it wouldn't sell well at all.. you know what i mean..)

It was a terrible failure. I look at the larger picture.

2002: Sony dominated console gaming, Nintendo was getting annihilated in sales and was loosing ground everywhere. All Nintendo really had left was handhelds, the same market they had held for the past 20 years. Sony, not comfortable with simply taking over all of Nintendo's former console market got greedy and wanted more. They wanted that hand held market and really intended to decimate Nintendo's last stand.

2003: Sony announces the PSP with the backing of dozens of studios and millions of R&D poured in. Internet forums everywhere sing of Nintendo's imminent doom. Nintendo gets worried, realizes it can't win in a head to head fight of graphics. Nintendo, now backed into a corner and faced with the real danger of loosing their last market, they turn to their engineers and innovate. The DS idea is created, Nintendo hopes for the best.

2005 It is clear now that the DS is favored over the PSP, Nintendo realizes the Blue Ocean strategy and applies it to consoles. Wii idea created. Wii destroys PS3 sales just as the DS destroyed PSP sales.

Summary: If Sony never got greedy and tried to overpower Nintendo's last stand, Nintendo probably would have never been forced to innovate as much with the DS. Even if Nintendo had made the DS without Sony's pressure, they would never have known how well it could do against an overpowered rival system. Without that knowledge, the concept of the weaker Wii beating the PS3 would not have been thought up really.
Sony's decision to make a PSP didn't take out Nintendo's last stand like they hoped, it instead indirectly killed the PS3. I say the PSP was a terrible failure.

I don't agree with you at all,

and I frankly don't even believe you believe all that say yourself,
cause calling the PSP a terrible failure
is just plain not true, selling 32 mill, and going fast to the 40 mill.
so however you wan't to look at it, it just can't be considered a terrible failure..


you want me to list some real terrible handheld failures that tried to take it up against Nintendo?