| StuOhQ said: So atheist bakers won't have to make Christian cakes either? This is flagrantly unconstitutional and an awful precedent to set. |
Why would you force an atheist baker to create such cakes? The constitution enlists your liberties, among those are freedom of speech and religion.
| Teeqoz said: From wikipedia: "The Court avoided ruling broadly on the intersection of anti-discrimination laws and rights to free exercise.[29] Kennedy's decision specifically noted the hostility towards Phillips made by the Commission as their reason to reverse the ruling, but because of the existence of this hostility in the current case, they could not rule on the broader issue regarding anti-discrimination law and the free exercise of religion. Kennedy stated that "The outcome of cases like this in other circumstances must await further elaboration in the courts, all in the context of recognizing that these disputes must be resolved with tolerance, without undue disrespect to sincere religious beliefs, and without subjecting gay persons to indignities when they seek goods and services in an open market".[30][31]" Unless I'm misunderstanding (and perhaps my memory of how the US justice system works is flawed), this ruling isn't of the same type as the supreme court rulings that sets presedence for how the law is interpreted in future cases - it only relates to how this specific case was handled by the Colorado Civil Rights Commission. Just thought I should add this. |
thats how things should work. case by case. fuck generalized laws.
Interesting meme I stumbled across today. But I will edit and bullet point it to make it a little less toxic and confrontational to adhere to forum rules.
Imagine walking into a Supermarket, but every checkout attendant had a different religion.
* Sorry, I can't sell you those Condoms because I am Catholic. - You will need to go to Register 5.
* Sorry, I can't sell you that Ham because I am Muslim. - You will have to go to Register 8.
* Sorry, I can't sell you that Coke because I am Mormon. - You will have to go to Register 2.
* Sorry, I can't sell you that Birthday Card because I am a Jehova Witness. - Maybe try Register 4.
* Welcome! I can sell you everything, I am LGBT who believes in equality and fair treatment of others who doesn't hide behind religion.
Comes a point where you need to push your religious indoctrination aside and just do your job.
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Puppyroach said:
What is the difference? Time? That would be a pretty bad definition of religion 🙂. |
I think we both know there is a big difference between Christianity and something like Scientology (Or any other religion that starts today). As much as poeple like it or not alot of people still are Believing Christians. I dont believe in any of it myself but you cant just wipe it off as some delusional bullshit. Its been around for a long time and is something that shaped cultures around the world.
| TH3-D0S3R said: Also, I am in the belief that all relationships, whether straight, gay, bi, etc. are all a choice. I don't come out of my mother's womb thinking oh hey, I wanna marry a chick or I feel like getting with a dude. There is no attraction for other people that lasts individuals their entire lives, so is that a by birth thing or do they chose to be alone? There are elements that go into it that can factor in such as genetic deficiencies (but there is no 'gay' gene) and environment, but for the most part it is up to you who you want to be with. |
Dont want to be disrespectful but you cant control who you´re attracted to ofcourse. Thats why things like Pansexual and Bisexual are labeled now they cant control who they like nor can you look at any woman or any woman look at you and force yourself to be attracted to her. Again I mean no offense with this.
| Nem said: I came in to lol at the concept of a "gay cake". There's gay cakes now? xD Honestly, they shouldn't have said anything. Just order a wedding cake without the thingies on top. Done. For the record though, baking isn't art. |
It most definitely is an art.
Nem said:
(proving wrong is a logical fallacy btw, so i struggled to even reply to you, but lets have a conversation) I don't recall eating paintings, books, movies and statues whose main purpose is to send a message/make a statement. Pastery is food more than it is any kind of statement. You eat it. Can have strawberries or it can have whipcream, can say hi or bye in jelly beans. It's ingredients. You eat them. It's like saying that making a recipe is literary art. If you want to call it art, cause theres a secret to making the recipe just right, so be it. But i do not consider it art in the same sense the other forms of art are. |
I dont remember listening to a painting so music isnt an art? I dont remember playing a book so Videogames arent an art?
| Pemalite said: Interesting meme I stumbled across today. But I will edit and bullet point it to make it a little less toxic and confrontational to adhere to forum rules. Imagine walking into a Supermarket, but every checkout attendant had a different religion. * Sorry, I can't sell you those Condoms because I am Catholic. - You will need to go to Register 5. * Sorry, I can't sell you that Ham because I am Muslim. - You will have to go to Register 8. * Sorry, I can't sell you that Coke because I am Mormon. - You will have to go to Register 2. * Sorry, I can't sell you that Birthday Card because I am a Jehova Witness. - Maybe try Register 4. * Welcome! I can sell you everything, I am LGBT who believes in equality and fair treatment of others who doesn't hide behind religion. Comes a point where you need to push your religious indoctrination aside and just do your job. |
Then the manager comes I and fires them all and the situation corrected itself... Surprised this isn't from occupy democrats Facebook. I checked because I was sure that poor logic is common place there
| The_Yoda said: Can you tell me how these two things are not equal: People who don't plan to kill anyone won't buy a gun in the first place
Outside of the word "plan" the first quote certainty seems to contradict the second. EDIT - snipped a couple paragraphs and PMed you instead since it was off topic.
Again why is it ok for you to use a line of reasoning but when someone uses one quite similar it is "obviously" wrong? That was my question to you before you got sidetracked on the gun tangent (for those reading at home and not privy to the PM I disagree on his reasons for owning a gun). |
Because with NO guns you will never be tempted to use guns to murder someone. People may buy guns with honest intentions but do they know how they will feel 6 months later? 1 year later? 5 years later? Do you know in advance that you won't have mental issues years later? Do you know in advance that you won't get a severe depression and have suicidal thoughts? Can you say for sure you won't one day decide to kill your family then kill yourself as you often here in the news? Or kill a neighbor, a passer-by?
Or worse, one day you come home from work and you find your kids dead cause kids are curious by nature and they somehow found your hidden gun and decided to play with it. You hear that in the news too. Little kids accidentally shooting their siblings with their parent's gun that they managed to get their hands on.
And that's what I mean when I say people who don't plan to kill anyone don't buy guns. Of course one could argue that it is possible to kill with other things than guns and that is very true but if you don't buy guns you are proving to yourself that as much as it is humanely possible, you are not on a path that could lead to a gun related drama.
That second line is also true: I never said people buy guns ONLY to kill. One can buy a gun to defend oneself, to hunt etc, and that is why I said that second line. At the time of purchasing a gun people may very well have good intentions.
I only replied here cause you asked a specific question here, sorry for this off-topic message everybody.
o_O.Q said:
"You have to treat all customers looking for the same service the same." which law states that? |
Most state business laws... are you saying you are against this? You do realize why this is a law in most states right? Be honest does it make you angry?
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