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Forums - Sales Discussion - PS4 Won March NPD (PS4: 354K, NSW: 308K, XBO: 299K)

Hiku said:
kirby007 said:
Only one person in the prediction thread didnt put ps4 on top so much for that consensus

To be fair, if anyone said something like "Switch will win every NPD in 2018", they may very well have changed their outlook after seeing the first few NPD's of this year. (Interesting that the average prediction on VGC came very close to the actual NPD estimates, based on RolStoppable's table.)
Personally I don't recall encountering opinions like that commonly on VGC. @Ryng_Tolu said that he thinks there's a chance of Switch outselling every month, but that's not a confident prediction.
Though while I have your attention if you see this Ryng, you also made this bold claim:

- "When Switch has enough stock and PS4 has no insane promotions, there is no way PS4 sells close to switch in USA."

I'm curious how you view this now? If you still stand by it, do you think PS4 had insane promotions, and Switch had stock issues, during the NPD's that PS4 outsold switch?

gtjay1982 said:
I just hope we can stop with the Switch is a Wii like phenomena now. It will likely outsell the Wii in the long run but it's not something other worldly.

Also pretty confident Ps4 will win the holidays with a pricecut. Once digital is factored into sales MLB will be number 2 pretty easily.

If Switch ends up outselling Wii, what would be your issue with referring to it as a Wii-like phenomena?
I'm not sure how you define that term, but you seem to be referring to sales.

 

Wii was selling as much as they could ship for a few years meaning that demand was something unseen before.  Switch is selling like any other successful console spikes at launch and holidays and steady sales throughout.  My issue is that since Switch outsold Wii in its first 12 months some use that to paint a picture that switch is just as popular as Wii at its peak but supply of switch is more and wii was held back by lack of supply.  



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Heavenly_King said:
how can the XBO manage to sell that much with their current gen library of games???

Third party support, and being cheaper then ps4, plus the X is giving a boost. a better question is how nintendo does it, they really are the king of first party.



Heavenly_King said:
how can the XBO manage to sell that much with their current gen library of games???

I think Fortnite, plus being discounted 



Hiku said:

To be fair, if anyone said something like "Switch will win every NPD in 2018", they may very well have changed their outlook after seeing the first few NPD's of this year. (Interesting that the average prediction on VGC came very close to the actual NPD estimates, based on RolStoppable's table.)
Personally I don't recall encountering opinions like that commonly on VGC. @Ryng_Tolu said that he thinks there's a chance of Switch outselling every month, but that's not a confident prediction.
Though while I have your attention if you see this Ryng, you also made this bold claim:

- "When Switch has enough stock and PS4 has no insane promotions, there is no way PS4 sells close to switch in USA."

I'm curious how you view this now? If you still stand by it, do you think PS4 had insane promotions, and Switch had stock issues, during the NPD's that PS4 outsold switch?

Sorry if late, had a lot to do. Anyway:

first, let's just start saying that every times, i give a chance to everything. Literally everything, because the industry is a weird place and we can't really be sure of nothing. Like, if you ask me: can XB1 outsell PS4 lifetime worldwide by the end of the generation? I'll tell you yes, is possible. Of course there are predictions and predictions, XB1 outselling PS4 worldwide is something that probabily has like 1% chance or less lol, and i surely don't think it will, but like everything, i would respect if someone predict that, expecially if he has arguments, as much as i would disagree.

Now, in this case, Switch outselling PS4 in every NPD of 2018 was for SURE a safest prediction, and of course i said there was a chance, and unlike the example before, i also was kinda confident on it because you know, at the time the last NPD we knew was December with Switch at 1.5 million and PS4 at 1.08 million.

But yeah, i didn't expect Switch to win every months, i was sure PS4 would have won some months, like April i wasn't too sure at the time, while right now of course i have no doubt PS4 will take it, and November too was a candidate for PS4, and well, many months in general.

What i really didn't expect was Switch losing the Q1, that was really unexpect.

The PS4 performed literally as i expect. If you look at my predictions in the NPD, you can see that literally every 3 months my PS4 predictions were super spot on: basically i was expecting a great Q1, but not as big as last year. Which looks the case (as PS4 is slighly down YOY)

Problem was Switch performance. Way worse than i expected. That line up seriusly hurted more than i thought, having only Kirby as a big game was not a good idea, but i thought that the "many shortages" it had in 2018 would have kinda boosted the firsts months of 2018, so even with a bad line up i would have expected very strong numbers for Switch.

While Switch numbers are still looking very good, they are not at the same level i expected. But that's fine, like i said, i just underestimate the negative effect a bad line up would have been. And after all, i also suspected that first half of 2018 could have been not the best, the big numbers for Switch will be this holiday with Smash, Pokémon, and in general a strong line up.

That said, i think is clear that even if i'm still very confident saying that Switch will beat PS4 in 2018, saying "PS4 can't come close unless it has insane promotion" was just wrong. Whatever happen, PS4 definitively could beat Switch, or at least come close withouth those promotions.

 

I guess we'll see, like i said right now 2018 for PS4 is literally the same i was expecting in USA (a bit different in Japan as i didn't expected that big boost from MHW, but even there my PS4 expectations seem fine), indeed i don't think i'll be much off with the final numbers.

Switch is just harder to predict because is new and has a bigger sales curve. I'm fine if i maybe overestimated a first quarter in one country, because so far my Switch predictions are still looking very good. Back in January 2017 i predicted 15 million Switch shipped, that was hard back in the days where many people still were thinking Switch may have performed bad or just not as good, and in the end i was less than 1% off the mark (14.86 million shipped).

So we'll see, for this year i was expecting Switch doing somewhere between 20 and 25 million. I really wanted to predict 25 million, indeed i think i mentioned it some times (withouth saying it was my prediction tho), but i knew that was kinda "high". So yeah, right now 20 million is my prediction. Basically what Nintendo expect.

 

Hope i was clear, sorry for the long comment.



Ryng_Tolu said:
Hiku said:

To be fair, if anyone said something like "Switch will win every NPD in 2018", they may very well have changed their outlook after seeing the first few NPD's of this year. (Interesting that the average prediction on VGC came very close to the actual NPD estimates, based on RolStoppable's table.)
Personally I don't recall encountering opinions like that commonly on VGC. @Ryng_Tolu said that he thinks there's a chance of Switch outselling every month, but that's not a confident prediction.
Though while I have your attention if you see this Ryng, you also made this bold claim:

- "When Switch has enough stock and PS4 has no insane promotions, there is no way PS4 sells close to switch in USA."

I'm curious how you view this now? If you still stand by it, do you think PS4 had insane promotions, and Switch had stock issues, during the NPD's that PS4 outsold switch?

Sorry if late, had a lot to do. Anyway:

first, let's just start saying that every times, i give a chance to everything. Literally everything, because the industry is a weird place and we can't really be sure of nothing. Like, if you ask me: can XB1 outsell PS4 lifetime worldwide by the end of the generation? I'll tell you yes, is possible. Of course there are predictions and predictions, XB1 outselling PS4 worldwide is something that probabily has like 1% chance or less lol, and i surely don't think it will, but like everything, i would respect if someone predict that, expecially if he has arguments, as much as i would disagree.

Now, in this case, Switch outselling PS4 in every NPD of 2018 was for SURE a safest prediction, and of course i said there was a chance, and unlike the example before, i also was kinda confident on it because you know, at the time the last NPD we knew was December with Switch at 1.5 million and PS4 at 1.08 million.

But yeah, i didn't expect Switch to win every months, i was sure PS4 would have won some months, like April i wasn't too sure at the time, while right now of course i have no doubt PS4 will take it, and November too was a candidate for PS4, and well, many months in general.

What i really didn't expect was Switch losing the Q1, that was really unexpect.

The PS4 performed literally as i expect. If you look at my predictions in the NPD, you can see that literally every 3 months my PS4 predictions were super spot on: basically i was expecting a great Q1, but not as big as last year. Which looks the case (as PS4 is slighly down YOY)

Problem was Switch performance. Way worse than i expected. That line up seriusly hurted more than i thought, having only Kirby as a big game was not a good idea, but i thought that the "many shortages" it had in 2018 would have kinda boosted the firsts months of 2018, so even with a bad line up i would have expected very strong numbers for Switch.

While Switch numbers are still looking very good, they are not at the same level i expected. But that's fine, like i said, i just underestimate the negative effect a bad line up would have been. And after all, i also suspected that first half of 2018 could have been not the best, the big numbers for Switch will be this holiday with Smash, Pokémon, and in general a strong line up.

That said, i think is clear that even if i'm still very confident saying that Switch will beat PS4 in 2018, saying "PS4 can't come close unless it has insane promotion" was just wrong. Whatever happen, PS4 definitively could beat Switch, or at least come close withouth those promotions.

 

I guess we'll see, like i said right now 2018 for PS4 is literally the same i was expecting in USA (a bit different in Japan as i didn't expected that big boost from MHW, but even there my PS4 expectations seem fine), indeed i don't think i'll be much off with the final numbers.

Switch is just harder to predict because is new and has a bigger sales curve. I'm fine if i maybe overestimated a first quarter in one country, because so far my Switch predictions are still looking very good. Back in January 2017 i predicted 15 million Switch shipped, that was hard back in the days where many people still were thinking Switch may have performed bad or just not as good, and in the end i was less than 1% off the mark (14.86 million shipped).

So we'll see, for this year i was expecting Switch doing somewhere between 20 and 25 million. I really wanted to predict 25 million, indeed i think i mentioned it some times (withouth saying it was my prediction tho), but i knew that was kinda "high". So yeah, right now 20 million is my prediction. Basically what Nintendo expect.

 

Hope i was clear, sorry for the long comment.

Thought it was quickrick who wrote this..



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Heavenly_King said:
how can the XBO manage to sell that much with their current gen library of games???

I would think that they are doing well because of the services they offer and third party games. First party games will always be important, but third party games are just as significant, a lot of people probably buy systems just to play third party games primarily, which is why you see marketing deals for them all the time. A big third party game can sell a system just as much as a big first party game can, and the companies know that because why else would they be paying to have the marketing for their system otherwise. 

They may be lacking in first party and exclusives at the moment, but what they do have in services and third party games is still huge. Gamepass, Backwards Compatibility, Play Anywhere, etc are just a few of the things they offer that are great features that none of the other companies have. (and yeah there's PS Now but you have to pay for that, plus it's streaming so it's not the same).

Combined with the fact that the recently released Xbox One X can now get the best looking/running versions of those big games, it's basically the best place you can go for just playing mostly third party games, there was even an article recently that said the same thing. 

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Trumpstyle said:

Thought it was quickrick who wrote this..

Some people will probabily be shocked lmao



RolStoppable said:
Ryng_Tolu said:

Some people will probabily be shocked lmao

I was stumped too. I was wondering why the quality of the English was higher than usual.

That's kinda mean, maybe English isn't his first language. I don't agree with quickrick most of the time but at least he never makes personal attacks against anyone. 



DonFerrari said:
Kerotan said:

Excellent victory for the ps4

60 dollars more expensive than the xb1 and mlb out selling sea of thieves at retail. Sony must be happy. 

Next month is all about god of war! 

And some people are still guessing if GoW can outsell SoT.

Lifetime?



PortisheadBiscuit said:
RolStoppable said:

I was stumped too. I was wondering why the quality of the English was higher than usual.

That's kinda mean, maybe English isn't his first language. I don't agree with quickrick most of the time but at least he never makes personal attacks against anyone. 

Yup it's not my first language, but i got used to roll throwing personal insults.