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That FMV stuff looked awful. cheesy and retarded that's why they failed. If you want good graphics watch a movie? are you serious? ridiculous, but I guess you prefer to play the next Super Smash in the N64 graphics don't you? Wrong. People aren't looking for freakin' movies to play they want good graphics that improve the gaming experience.



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ckmlb said:
 People aren't looking for freakin' movies to play they want good graphics that improve the gaming experience.

That's the point. Great graphics and sound provide real emotions. What are games? It's a try to offer us a certain experience corresponding with reality but with far more broad look on it (other worlds, magic etc.) Stunning graphics is crucial to secure this "like in real" feeling.



ckmlb said:
That FMV stuff looked awful. cheesy and retarded that's why they failed. If you want good graphics watch a movie? are you serious? ridiculous, but I guess you prefer to play the next Super Smash in the N64 graphics don't you? Wrong. People aren't looking for freakin' movies to play they want good graphics that improve the gaming experience.

If you think that videos look awful, then I guess there's nothing to be said about film, period. There actually is nothing that looks more "real" than the "real' thing. It may have been cheesy, and it may have looked retarded in a game setting, but film is real, period. How you can possibly argue against that point is beyond me, but you are welcome to do so.

However, you are completely missing my point: I mean that realism was attempted before, with FMV. What really sucked about it is not the lack of realism of FMV, but its inherent lack of gameplay opportunities. Like Dragon's Lair. FMV allows for extremely limited, "choose A or B but there ain't a C for you to choose from" gameplay, which is exactly what games are not about. Games are about interaction.

And I understand how people aren't going to watch movies to get their gameplay fix because there is no interactivity in watching a movie. That's my point. How you missed it baffles me. 



kber81 said:
ckmlb said:
People aren't looking for freakin' movies to play they want good graphics that improve the gaming experience.

That's the point. Great graphics and sound provide real emotions. What are games? It's a try to offer us a certain experience corresponding with reality but with far more broad look on it (other worlds, magic etc.) Stunning graphics is crucial to secure this "like in real" feeling.

I hate to bring this up constantly, but by your definition, Tetris isn't a game? 

 



@ your mother

Haha... Sure it is. Hmm, maybe my definition isn't perfect but I believe it represent gamers expectation regards next-gen entertainment.

BTW

It will be much more clearer when next-gen (X or PS3) is available for everyone. Someone on this forum has a great signature some time ago. It was a pack of pics illustrating gamers reaction on PS3 before and after price announcement. I believe lots of guys here and there hate PS3 not because lack of good games but only because they can't afford on it.



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kber81 said:
@ your mother

Haha... Sure it is. Hmm, maybe my definition isn't perfect but I believe it represent gamers expectation regards next-gen entertainment.

BTW

It will be much more clearer when next-gen (X or PS3) is available for everyone. Someone on this forum has a great signature some time ago. It was a pack of pics illustrating gamers reaction on PS3 before and after price announcement. I believe lots of guys here and there hate PS3 not because lack of good games but only because they can't afford on it.

I'm sure that a lot of people out there have the feeling of sour grapes when it comes to the PS3's affordability.

However, that alone can't be the reason, at least for me. You know, I was mulling over the PS3 or 360 purchase but there were always showstoppers:

360: I really wanted one and don't even mind that much the hardware unreliability, but what killed me is the lack of downloadable HD content where I live (I believe it's only limited to the US); until they sort that out, the 360 will not be a part of my console collection. I don't believe in being left out of key features simply because I don't live in a specific geographic location.

PS3: There just aren't any games I want on it right now!

Instead, I bought myself a new PC: great library of software, it's something that I can justify easily given my job nature, and it's had HD for years now. Plus, for FPS games, I don't think either the PS3 or the 360 can hold a candle to the plethora of FPS games available for the PC (the controls on a PC are tighter as well).

What would have me buy a PS3 right now is (and I hope you can answer this for me) if it came with Blu-ray burner. Somehow I doubt it, but if it did, I'd buy one as soon as I leave work today.



Tetris is a different kind of game altogether, the fact is most of the game genres could use nice graphics to enhance the experience. Even Tetris now looks better on the DS you gotta admit, look at Lumines for example a puzzle game that looks amazing(great music, great style).



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ckmlb said:
Tetris is a different kind of game altogether, the fact is most of the game genres could use nice graphics to enhance the experience. Even Tetris now looks better on the DS you gotta admit, look at Lumines for example a puzzle game that looks amazing(great music, great style).

Different or not, Tetris is still a game, just like other "non-games" like Brain Age and the new "Coach" series, and sure, with nicer graphics it looks better, but it does not help the gameplay. Brain Age would not sell more or be a more compelling experience because whoever that scientist's name is at the beginning of the game had 3m shaded and raytraced polygons instead of 2k non-textured polygons.

Other games that rely on storytelling and that ever-famous "temporary suspension of disbelief" require good graphics, but even with HD graphics Tetris is still Tetris. I won't complain if it was the version on a mobile phone instead of the version on the 360.

Final Fantasy-type games are a different beast altogether, of course. 

But that's not the point: You argued that FMV looked lousy. I think FMV looks as realistic as you can possibly get, but FMV itself sucks for games due to its lack of interactivity.

Taken another way, FMV = film = movies; looks real but is not suitable for gaming. That's why it failed, not because FMV was "crappy". If it could deliver the amount of interactivity that 3D graphics deliver today (and much much better scripts and actors, of course), I doubt we'd be having this constant 3D push.



our eyes are gonna be replaced by alien eyes to see sharper more vibrant colors.

 

thats what the man under my bed keeps telling me.



I am WEEzY. You can suck my Nintendo loving BALLS!

 

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Looking like a movie in the way that FMV is which is literally just people taped is not a good thing for a game.



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