I think said person should pipe down and stop trying to indoctrinate people.
Whatever it meant 2000 years ago has been warped beyond belief (no pun intended) by people using it as a way to control people for their own ends.
I think said person should pipe down and stop trying to indoctrinate people.
Whatever it meant 2000 years ago has been warped beyond belief (no pun intended) by people using it as a way to control people for their own ends.
Peh said:
Yeah..no. Rather the people who are on a crusade against facts and science driven by their belief and incurable ignorance to spread their stupidity right and left where ever they put their feet down.
And, because you like to put words in my mouth so let me have the fun of doing the same.
You want people like the ones in the islamic state to breed and spread, because of how tolerant you are of someone else belief, right?
What about the belief to fuck children, because they think it keeps you young? Show some tolerance for their belief!!! |
Yeah, because believing that the earth is flat is really harmful to other people like the examples you described. Great job as creating textbook false equivalency there. And BTW children don't equal their parents.
I'll preface this by saying yes: I personally believe in the Christian God as I am myself a practicing Roman Catholic.
However, while there is definitely some intersectionality between faith and reason a lot of it is, well, faith. I would be lying if I said I never questioned my religion or had my own skepticisms. A major component of organized religion is taking things on faith, which is something I definitely have trouble with doing at times.
But the same time I don't think it's irrational to infer the existence of some arbitrary higher power using reason alone. As I understand it, the only way a purely atheistic universe could exist is through an infinite regression of events. Either the universe continuously recycles itself or some form of the multi-verse theory is true. However the idea of infinite regression is both logically fallacious in nature and scientifically dubious in practice, neither of the above models for the universe reflect our current scientific understanding.
Our current understand yields that the universe is finite in time; having both a well established beginning in the big bang and a probable end in heat death. Furthermore, as I understand it, all infinite regression theories for the universe lack any credible evidence. In other words, there is no proof or even logical ground for them to stand on, making them nearly as faith based as any organized religion. Therefore given our current understand there has to be some unmoved mover or some uncaused causer; whether it's the Abrahamic God, some pantheon of gods, or maybe just a really big unconscious rock. The idea here is that the only way to avoid a Homunculus Fallacy is to have some entity that exists unbound by the physical laws of our universe, and that being would be defined as God for lack of a better definition. Asking "what caused God" is also a fundamental misunderstanding of the argument being made, because under these metrics God has to be defined as the uncaused entity (i.e an infinite being).
I'll note however that the above statements aren't an argument for the existence of God in the conventional sense. The argument can't be used to prove or even infer the existence of an intelligent designer, it merely acknowledges the probable existence of some higher power outside of our physical laws; and I think that's about as far as one can get through reason alone.
| Peh said: Ok, now I am certain that you are just trolling. I have to applaud you for your effort of keeping up that facade. I nearly fell for it. |
lol like I expected anything different
modern US/Europeans are too immersed in their life to see beyond, it is human nature to take things for granted
we will all find out eventually, rivers run everywhere but the sea embraces them all in the end
don't mind my username, that was more than 10 years ago, I'm a different person now, amazing how people change ^_^
CrazyGamer2017 said:
Yeah but the one you are talking about, well God is not too proud of him so he'd rather pretend he does not exist so in turn that son is pissed off and likes to do evil stuff and whatnot... Well family dramas, well all know how that goes |
When jesus was in the desert for 6 days, lucifer offered him all 7 worlds including thr earth for bowing infront of him. jesus said no. I am not talking about the story is true or not. But according to the bible, he offered him 7 worlds+earth. You cant offer something what is not yours. That said, the bible says the worlds owner is lucifer. How to offer if its not yours?
contestgamer said:
Yeah, because believing that the earth is flat is really harmful to other people like the examples you described. Great job as creating textbook false equivalency there. And BTW children don't equal their parents. |
You really do like to miss the point on purpose, do you?
The examples are not for supporting my argument, but rather to point out that you like to put words in someones mouth that he/she didn't meant to say in the first place.
So, no, I don't place flat earthers on the same level as IS or pedophiles. Can't believe I have to point that out.
But flat earthers can become seriously harmful if the movement is big enough. So far, they are a laughing stock for those who can see through their idioticy. Sadly some people can't and they become part of the ridicule.
But all in all, and what Alara317 said and meant, people with those believes and behaviour are no help for the society and can cause only harm for everyone else. They have the potential in doing so.
I don't know his stance on evolution, but I really don't need another one denying a fact. So, don't breed in this kind of sense is the correct term.
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SpokenTruth said:
He made an impact because his later followers killed others in that name of love and peace to spread the 'good word'. His message was co-opted for political gain by those in power. Christians spread out, killing or forcibly converting whomever they came across. Prior proponents of love and peace tended to stay local and would have been appalled by their followers killing and enslaving others under the guise of their message. |
seriously I don't get you, do you mean the crusades?
he made an impact because of the way he came to life and the way he left, and obviously because of what he did while he was on earth
don't mind my username, that was more than 10 years ago, I'm a different person now, amazing how people change ^_^
dark_gh0st_b0y said:
lol like I expected anything different |
That's a harsh generalization.
If you say modern, can I say outdated?
"too immersed in their life to see beyond", now that's a funny statement.
How far beyond did you looked in other direction than the one you are looking at right now(christianity)?
It's not that I turned atheist for the lulz of it. There is some serious thought process behind it to abandon the view ones hold since birth. It's because you dig deeper and deeper and try to understand the concept of god and your very own existence that leds you away from one of thousands of made up answers on this god forsaken planet. Maybe there is one correct answer out there, but yours it is not. I've been there already.
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Peh said:
You really do like to miss the point on purpose, do you? The examples are not for supporting my argument, but rather to point out that you like to put words in someones mouth that he/she didn't meant to say in the first place.
So, no, I don't place flat earthers on the same level as IS or pedophiles. Can't believe I have to point that out.
But flat earthers can become seriously harmful if the movement is big enough. So far, they are a laughing stock for those who can see through their idioticy. Sadly some people can't and they become part of the ridicule.
But all in all, and what Alara317 said and meant, people with those believes and behaviour are no help for the society and can cause only harm for everyone else. They have the potential in doing so.
I don't know his stance on evolution, but I really don't need another one denying a fact. So, don't breed in this kind of sense is the correct term. |
Yeah, so then the problem becomes that you think an individuals value is equal to their value to society. Someone shouldn't breed because they are detrimental to society, but there the assumption is that society supersedes the individual.
contestgamer said:
Yeah, so then the problem becomes that you think an individuals value is equal to their value to society. Someone shouldn't breed because they are detrimental to society, but there the assumption is that society supersedes the individual. |
What I say is: It can take thousand of people to build something up, but it takes only one to destroy it.
This can be taken literal aswell as metaphorical.
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