That just wouldn´t have worked... had he sayed goodbye then new states founded in the west could have also become slave states... Lincoln offered the south that they could keep slavery (at least for a while) but no new states where alowed to have it... the south didn´t want that though... it was a fight over principles, eather all men are created equal or not... if that principle is not worht fighting for I don´t know what is...

 I completely agree, all men deserve freedom and their own right to live freely, this is why we are not the Confederate States of America.

ssj12, that really is just quibbling. Playing devil's advocate is fine but disingenous arguments are bullcrap. It's not all in the past. Saying "Get over it" adds nothing to the discussion.

The first five sentences you wrote are pretty close to being something that an apologist would write for Strom Thurmond. Are you really serious or are you joke posting?

By your powers combined, he is Captain Preferences!

Goooooo Preferences!

grey acumen

was that just 4 ur 14ooth post or am i really a god? :) lol

I thought that was it.

I don't hate gay people, just the fact that people can blame gayness on a gene in your body, and I just don't think it's right and natural.

(now the thread topic switches to, gay people: what?)

I disagree, my grandmother for example was forced to help build bombs for the Nazis... she now lives in Florida and has many jewish friends... is she supposed to appologize to them for beeing part of the Nazi regime ??? Am I supposed to appoligize for her ???

The past is gone... we should never forget mistakes made in the past but we need  to get over it... you can´t blame people fot things they weren´t even part of... 

i agree el dudrino

i HATE it when black people blame present day whites for slavery. they did nothing wrong, and may not even support it. how can u blame sum1 for something 300 years old? im black i dont blame preseent day whites for my phailures

my dad is an immigrant from st lucia and came here wen he was 15 to canada and he now orks a great 80,000 a year paying job with the government. he didnt blame white people for him not doing good on a test becase" the white man has opressed myt peoples. i feel the need to revolt agaisnt the white man"

 LOL... thats the best typo I have seen in ages... I had no idea Orks get paied so well :) and what does the government need Orks for ??? Sorry I just had to comment on that :)

Not quite. Lincoln was far from a believer in equality of the races.

And Lincoln said he was willing to sign an amendment being worked on by Congress that would enshrine slavery in the constitution of the US (ironically the 13th amendment). Slavery would've been made PERMANENT in the US via this amendment, yet the deep Southern states still seceded.

The deep south states seceded more so over issues of economics than slavery, the primary issue being tarrifs (and they way that the funds collected via these tariffs were used). Fighting almost erupted over the Tariff of Abominations in 1828, and it was obvious that conflict would arise over the Morrill Tariff of 1860, a tariff with rates even higher than those in 1828.

Despite this tariff, the states of the upper south still did not feel compelled to secede like the lower southern states. It wasn't until Lincoln refused to abandon Fort Sumter and began organizing military forces to take back the deep south that states like Virginia had had enough. Infringing upon a state's right to secede was the last straw, and they thus joined their brethren via secession.

The war was a matter of economics (particularly tariffs) and states rights (the right to secede from the federal government, and the right to nullify any law a state deemed unconstitutional, much like the issues surrounding the tariff controversies of 1832).

Slavery was well on it's way out by the 18th century. Virginia had been holding abolitionist talks in the State congress as early as 1853, and the US was one of the last major regions that still allowed slavery (England, France, and Spain had banned slavery years before hand). To say that slavery would have survived in the CSA for very long is untrue.