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Forums - Politics Discussion - What is "socialism"? - An attempt to clear up myths/misconceptions

DonFerrari on 01 February 2018
VGPolyglot said:
DonFerrari said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA5PFcAYxss

Yeah, there's no point debating you seriously when you're just going to resort to memes.

You can answer to him straight them.

 

Or you know, not put every counter to "survivor bias", "low banking accounts", "immigrants are rich before going to USA", etc to anything that can just point that people can thrive even in difficult without government or socialist measures.



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DarthVolod on 01 February 2018
slab_of_bacon said:
DarthVolod said:

Not really, they are all of poor quality and terribly inefficient. Let the market handle them. 

 

pure forms of economic policy can never exist... there must be a balance and it's time we had it

 

Why can't they? Compromises are not necessarily a good thing ...



Leadified on 01 February 2018
DonFerrari said:
Leadified said:

Except they don't, companies more often will pay you the minimum in order not to cut into profits. Case in point, take a look at the textile industry in countries like Bangladesh. Companies make record profits while their workers are basically slaves.

Work that can be easily substituted and that the government impose a minimum wage will move to places where they can do it, because in case you haven't forget customers also keep requesting smaller prices.

Well there you go, now you know why capitalism drives exploitation.



sc94597 on 01 February 2018
John2290 said:
I like how Ben Shapiro put it,summing up my thoughts, so elegantly. "Socialism is rape and capitalism is consensual sex". Perfection.

Except you know when Capitalism must be imposed by the liberal democratic state, which is -- you know , always. Ben Shapiro supports the state, so I take his rape analogy with a grain of salt. 



NATO on 01 February 2018
VGPolyglot said:
DonFerrari said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA5PFcAYxss

Yeah, there's no point debating you seriously when you're just going to resort to memes.

wasn't a debate, was a simple question that requires a simple answer.

still waiting on that answer.

capitalism may not perfect but at least when I go to buy bread I don't have to queue for hours then take part in a lottery 

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VGPolyglot on 01 February 2018
NATO said:
VGPolyglot said:

Yeah, there's no point debating you seriously when you're just going to resort to memes.

wasn't a debate, was a simple question that requires a simple answer.

still waiting on that answer. 

Depends on what you even mean by successful.



NATO on 01 February 2018
VGPolyglot said:
NATO said:

wasn't a debate, was a simple question that requires a simple answer.

still waiting on that answer. 

Depends on what you even mean by successful.

So what you're saying is, you can't answer a simple question unless we move the goalposts far enough towards "the country is in flames" that the collapse is excusable

And let me guess, when one does particularly bad, it's a socialist country that didn't follow socialist ideals closely enough right?



VGPolyglot on 01 February 2018
NATO said:
VGPolyglot said:

Depends on what you even mean by successful.

So what you're saying is, you can't answer a simple question unless we move the goalposts far enough towards "the country is in flames" that the collapse is excusable

Well, I want a clear understanding of what your definition of successful is before I start giving examples only for you to say they don't count.



NATO on 01 February 2018
VGPolyglot said:
NATO said:

So what you're saying is, you can't answer a simple question unless we move the goalposts far enough towards "the country is in flames" that the collapse is excusable

Well, I want a clear understanding of what your definition of successful is before I start giving examples only for you to say they don't count.

Basically every first world capitalist country, you know, like the one you live in.

Go compare a map of capitalist countries, compare it with a map of median age at death, compare it with a map of average income, then economic stability, then just for fun, compare it to a map of highest minimum wage.

 

Then do the same thing for a map of socialist countries.



VGPolyglot on 01 February 2018
NATO said:
VGPolyglot said:

Well, I want a clear understanding of what your definition of successful is before I start giving examples only for you to say they don't count.

Basically every first world capitalist country, you know, like the one you live in.

Go compare a map of capitalist countries, compare it with a map of median age at death, compare it with a map of average income, then economic stability, then just for fun, compare it to a map of highest minimum wage.

 

Then do the same thing for a map of socialist countries.

Obviously the average income is going to be lower, their economies aren't as big. Cuba had one of the highest life expectancies in the world though, in spite of an embargo by the biggest economy in the world. Though I wouldn't call them socialist anymore since they legalized small and medium private businesses:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-36375807