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irstupid said:
Teeqoz said:

Eh, it depends on when the cut-off point for millennials is. The "millennial" generation is typically considered to start somewhere in the span of 1977-1983, and ends some time between 1993-1996. If you take the earliest years for both, you have millennials in their 40s now, while the youngest are 25. I could see 1 in 6 in that age range having 100,000 in savings.

the survey said like ages 22-37 or something. 37 was the high end. Not sure what low end was.

But go and think of the first dozen people you can think of between those ages. Do you believe that at least two of them have 100k sitting in savings? 100k is a lot of money.

I live in Norway, so it isn't comparable, but if I do it anyway, then absolutely. Not 100k sitting in the bank of course, but mostly taking the market value of their house - their debt. Heck, I'd probably go as far as to say at least 1 in 3.



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Chrizum said:
What good is having money when you don't spend it?

1. Unexpected expenses could ruin you without savings.

2. Financial planning allows you greater options through life and especially for retirement.

3. Money makes money.  Saving and investing are the equivalent of having a second job you don't have to work at, but get the money.



numberwang said:
Nymeria said:

 

"Approximately 62% of Americans have less than $1,000 in their savings accounts and 21% don’t even have a savings account, according to a new survey of more than 5,000 adults conducted this month by Google Consumer Survey."

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/most-americans-have-less-than-1000-in-savings-2015-10-06

 

Can have 1 in 6 with plenty of money, on the flip side the other 5 of 6 could be struggling to make ends meet.

Wealth is much more than just saving accounts, like property, stocks etc.

Yes, I am aware.  That said, if someone has less than $1000 for monthly expenditures, what odds are there that they have $100,000+ in the market?  The kind of mindset that lives so close month to month isn't very likely to be planning for years or decades down the road.  It can happen, but being cash poor is a risky proposition.  Markets are far better strategy for long term planning, but the volatility isn't something you want to worry about paying regular bills.

I'd advise anyone to have at least two months worth of bills easily accessible (for vast majority this would be in excess of $1000) in the event they should suddenly become unemployed.  Putting money in and taking it out of your investment portfolio can lead to a lot of anxiety if the timing is bad.  Right now we've had eight years of a bull market, but it could easily correct by 2020 seeing people have less then than they do now. 



numberwang said:

I have done the avocado toast math, if you save an average 7$ a day and put it in an account with 3% interest over 45 years you will end up with 233K$ savings. (Inflation would increase a future house price and your necessary savings).

https://www.wellandgood.com/good-food/why-avocado-toast-costs-10-dollars/

https://www.investor.gov/additional-resources/free-financial-planning-tools/compound-interest-calculator

 

So, with 2% inflation... 96k equivalent dollars. After 45 years of continuous saving and waiting. Yeah... not impressed. I'd like a house before I enter retirement, and 96k will get you a shack, at best.



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I win if Arms sells over 700 000 units worldwide by the end of 2017.

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I win if Emmanuel Macron wins the french presidential election May 7th 2017.

Old man wants kids to get off his lawn? Big surprise.

Signed, a Millennial Homeowner.



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lel, in my home, there are avocados in the soil, that fell from our trees... I dont like it that much. They even go spoiled because no one on the hoouse wants to eat them for several days.



                          

"We all make choices, but in the end, our choices make us" - Andrew Ryan, Bioshock.

Home prices relative to incomes were low in the 1980s and the 1990s. Home prices boomed in the 2000s while incomes remained flat. Homes were cheap in the wake of the 2008 housing crash, but unemployment also went to double digits which made it hard for established millennials to buy homes. Home prices have essentially recovered now, and while jobs are easy to come by in 2018, wages are still low.

Those are the macro reasons why millennials can't afford houses when their parents could. It's not click-baity or sexy, but it is the truth.

https://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/08/daily-chart-20



specialk said:

Home prices relative to incomes were low in the 1980s and the 1990s. Home prices boomed in the 2000s while incomes remained flat. Homes were cheap in the wake of the 2008 housing crash, but unemployment also went to double digits which made it hard for established millennials to buy homes. Home prices have essentially recovered now, and while jobs are easy to come by in 2018, wages are still low.

Those are the macro reasons why millennials can't afford houses when their parents could. It's not click-baity or sexy, but it is the truth.

https://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/08/daily-chart-20

Homes in metropolitan areas with tens of millions of immigrations have rising prices, but rural America is very affordable.

Millennials also do not start working at 16 or 18 like most of their parents did, so they delay their income too much into the later parts of life.



numberwang said:

Homes in metropolitan areas with tens of millions of immigrations have rising prices, but rural America is very affordable.

Millennials also do not start working at 16 or 18 like most of their parents did, so they delay their income too much into the later parts of life.

Rural America also isn't where the jobs are, though. By and large, anyway. Some decent income jobs can be found away from major metros, but some millennials own houses too.

I suppose a bunch of millennials could afford homes if they worked in the city and commuted from beyond the suburbs. But this isn't really empirically analogous to what our parents experienced. Not making a value judgement here on who "had it better", it just is what it is. If you want an explanation as to why millennials don't buy houses, it's wages, median home prices, the great recession, and probably that fewer of them want homes. We're also not having kids, so I hear.



mysteryman said:
OhNoYouDont said: 

Interesting is the wrong adjective. Terrifyingly irresponsible comes to mind.

What I mean to say is that average saving habits haven’t changed. So what is the driving factor behind a lower percentage millenials in the housing market?

It's all relative. Wages flat for 30 years means that 10% saved 30 years ago stretches volumes in comparison to today. I can't complain, but I'm not suffering. Were I making an average salary I'd feel pretty awful about my living situation.